Abdullah Al Andalusi’s debate with Tommy Robinson (Head of the EDL)

 
Salam alaikum everyone,
 
The long awaited time has come - Abdullah al Andalusi debated Tommy Robinson (leader of the English Defence League) on a TV Channel debate entitled “Is Islam synonymous with Terrorism?” recorded yesterday. We also had a member of the BNP as attend as well!
 
The show is scheduled for broadcast on ‘Vox Africa TV‘ on Sky satellite channel 218, at 9pm (London/GMT) today
 
The broadcast is only available  in Europe and Africa – but  MDI try and get the video posted up on our online inshallah.
 
I hope you all enjoying watching it, inshallah
 
MDI

America the Serial Killer

By John Feffer, Co-director, Foreign Policy In Focus

Everybody loves Dexter. He’s handsome. He’s helpful. He works at the Miami Metro Police Department, and he’s very good at his job as a blood-splatter analyst. Oh, did I mention that he moonlights as a serial killer? Don’t worry: he only kills bad guys. That’s part of the code that Dexter’s adoptive father, himself a police officer, passed down to his son. As a child who had watched his mother die a horrendous death, Dexter couldn’t overcome the murderous impulses that surged within him. His father, channeling those impulses in the only constructive way he could think of, created a better monster of his son’s nature: a serial killer of serial killers.

The other essential rule of Dexter’s code: don’t get caught. He is very precise in the way he dispatches his victims, and he will do almost anything to evade detection. Dexter works for the law, but his second job is most definitely above the law.

During its six seasons on Showtime, the popular TV show Dexter has asked a vexing moral question: can a person do good by doing bad? Let’s throw in one more twist. Sometimes Dexter makes mistakes and kills people who don’t fit his definition of Really Bad. He must then wrestle with his (rudimentary) conscience and, more importantly, try to resolve the paradoxes of his father’s code. One last painful element of the Dexter story: his efforts to wipe out bad guys occasionally endanger and even lead to the death of his own nearest and dearest. Dexter has a serious problem, in other words, with blowback.

By this point, you’ve probably figured out my theory. Dexter is all about U.S. foreign policy and the moral calculus of a superpower. Our government has likewise been on a killing streak for a long time, and there’s no end in sight. But we are also, as a country, conflicted about this propensity toward murder. We try to tell ourselves that we only kill bad guys like Osama bin Laden and his ilk. We maintain that we intervene in the affairs of other countries for only the best and purest of reasons. But we also suspect that we have deviated from our code — many times and with devastating consequences.

The first season of Dexter aired in 2006, and it’s tempting to draw the parallels between the serial killer and our serial wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan. But let’s go post-partisan here and instead look at what the Obama team is doing today. “More recently, there has been hope for a more humane set of policies from the Obama administration,” writes Foreign Policy In Focus (FPIF) senior analyst Adil Shamoo in an excerpt from his new book Equal Worth. “However, such hope has not materialized in the form of a new policy toward the [Middle East]. The Obama administration is bent on proving its ‘national security credentials’ by following the old policy of vengeance and not of justice.” This tension between vengeance and justice, a major preoccupation of Dexter, was on display last week when a U.S. drone strike killed Fahd al-Quso, a top al-Qaeda operative in Yemen.

Quso helped plan al Qaeda’s attack on the USS Cole in Yemen in 2000, and he would certainly fit Dexter’s definition of Really Bad. He pledged to attack any and all Americans, soldiers and civilians alike. Maybe, you say, we should have apprehended him. Actually, Quso had been apprehended — several times. The FBI interrogated him prior to September 11. He escaped from prison in 2003 only to be recaptured in 2004 and then released by the Yemeni government in 2007. Maybe Washington should have tried extraordinary rendition. But the Obama administration has largely backed out of the business of extraordinary rendition in favor of extrajudicial killing.

Dexter would have no compunction about taking out Quso. Extrajudicial killing is what he’s all about. America’s favorite serial killer is judge, jury, and executioner all wrapped up in one.

But how do we feel about the U.S. president occupying that role? To make a final judgment, we must consider the legal issues, the foreign policy implications, and finally the practical matter of blowback.

The Obama administration only admitted publicly back in January to the existence of its CIA-directed drone attacks in Pakistan. Talk about open secrets. The New American Foundation estimates that the Obama administration has expanded the drone program sixfold over what the Bush team had initiated in Pakistan. And that doesn’t include the expansion of drone warfare to Yemen and Somalia or the drone strikes that the Air Force conducts over Afghanistan.

Two weeks ago, in an effort to increase transparency in one of the most opaque overseas operations the United States conducts, White House counter-terrorism advisor John Brennan was more expansive about the program. “One could argue that never before has there been a weapon that allows us to distinguish more effectively between al-Qaeda terrorists and civilians,” Brennan said. “It’s this surgical precision, the ability, with laser-like focus to eliminate the cancerous tumor called an al Qaeda terrorist while limiting damage to the tissue around it that makes this counter-terrorism tool so essential.”

Next time I need surgery, I’m certainly not going to employ Brennan. Tasked with removing a tumor in my toe, he’d lop off my entire leg, remove an arm from an attending nurse, and accidently cut away a couple limbs from patients waiting in pre-op. That’s how “surgical” the drone strikes have been. The New America Foundation estimates that they have a 17 percent error rating (in other words, we’ve killed 300-450 non-militants). This corresponds to the calculations of the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, which has compiled a list of 317 civilians killed by drones in Pakistan.

There are two major categories of drone strikes. The first, dubbed the personality strike, goes after a known bad guy. The second, the signature strike, targets unidentified individuals and groups according to their pattern of behavior. Neither type qualifies as “surgical.” In the first case, U.S. drones killed Zabet Amanullah on the presumption that he was a top Taliban commander when in fact he was a human rights advocate. Even Dexter would have felt bad about that. In the second case, the United States is expanding its definition of enemy combatants to include groups in Yemen and Somalia, and this makes even the State Department uncomfortable.

We should all be uncomfortable. It’s bad enough when the president directs the extrajudicial killings by handpicking a set of discrete targets. But signature strikes give the CIA even more latitude in drawing up kill lists and racking up “collateral damage.” As William Saletan explains in Slate, “in the Pakistani frontier regions, the CIA has license to take out fighters who appear to be involved, or intent on getting involved, in the Afghan insurgency. The drone campaign has spread from counterterrorism to counterinsurgency.”

So, the United States doesn’t do so well with the first rule of Dexter’s code — only kill bad guys. It works a great deal harder to abide by the second rule: don’t get caught. It has done its utmost to conceal the drone program and create plausible deniability. “To absolve itself in the most sensitive strikes, the CIA has become skilled at using lawyers to cover its tracks. “They use paper when it is going to help them,” says the former official. “Or they get on the secure phone. Or they get in an elevator casually with a lawyer and ask for his advice, like, ‘There’s nothing preventing me from destroying those tapes, is there?’” writes Michael Hastings in an  in-depth article on drones in Rolling Stone.

Wait, you might say, what Dexter does is clearly illegal. Murder is illegal. But aren’t drone strikes legal? It’s a war, they’re combatants, we’re combatants, we take them out. Why bring in any lawyers?

Back in the 1970s, the United States banned the practice of assassination until Congress passed a law in the wake of 9/11 that empowered the president “to use all necessary and appropriate force” in going after those responsible for the terrorist attacks. But the targeted killing of American citizens, the “collateral damage” inflicted on innocent bystanders who happen to be in the vicinity of targeted drone strikes, and the dispatch of unknown targets based on unreleased evidence of their behavior all raise difficult legal questions. That’s a polite way of saying that these are lawsuits waiting to happen.

Moreover, what if other countries made the same claims in assassinating individuals in the United States? Washington might rethink the legality of its actions when China or Russia authorizes a drone attack on a Uygur or Chechen “terrorist” hanging out in Chicago. They too could use the self-defense argument.

So, strictly speaking, targeted killings are legal because the Congress passed a law declaring them legal. But they still fly in the face of international law and establish a dangerous precedent that will one day be used against the United States.

Meanwhile, the blowback continues. In a drone strike last year, the United States killed an American citizen, Anwar al Awlaki, a leading al Qaeda militant. A subsequent strike took out two of his close relatives. “The October drone strike that killed Awlaki’s 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman, a U.S. citizen, and his teenage cousin shocked and enraged Yemenis of all political stripes,” writes Jeremy Scahill in The Nation. “’I firmly believe that the [military] operations implemented by the U.S. performed a great service for al-Qaeda, because those operations gave al-Qaeda unprecedented local sympathy,’ says Jamal, the Yemeni journalist. The strikes ‘have recruited thousands.’ Yemeni tribesmen, he says, share one common goal with al-Qaeda, ‘which is revenge against the Americans, because those who were killed are the sons of the tribesmen, and the tribesmen never, ever give up on revenge.’”

Dexter is an individual driven by his nature to kill. He can’t help himself. The United States is not an individual, but rather a collection of institutions subject to the democratic control of more than 300 million individuals. Like Dexter, the United States was baptized in blood —the slaughter of Native Americans, the enslavement of Africans — and has been steeped in blood ever since. But it need not be part of our nature any more than the Holocaust defines Germany today or King Leopold’s monstrous crimes compel modern-day Belgium to behave in like manner. If the U.S. government argues, as Dexter does, that the system is broken and the Really Bad act with impunity, Washington can do something Dexter can’t — use its unprecedented power and influence to strengthen international law rather than undermine it.

If Dexter turns himself in, the show is over. The United States, in its last flush of unipolar glory, fears the same ending should it suddenly adhere to international law. With its expanded drone program, the Obama administration has kept America’s serial killer persona on the air for too long. More and more Americans are just saying no, as Medea Benjamin chronicles in her new book on drones. It’s time for the United States to stop breaking bad and behave like a proper, law-abiding member of the international community.

Huffington Post

Comment:

This is an Interesting take on Dexter as a metaphor for US Foreign Policies. There are some contentious points to be made between the two, however. Dexter spends a lot of effort on “vetting” his targets – he never picks a target – and then dismisses exculpatory information that might cause him to hesitate in making his kill: try applying that to Iraq – where the invasion was planned long before the killers had even achieved the power to carry it out – and then dismisses exculpatory intelligence data – and even invented evidence – to support their pre-determined, absolute commitment to kill – while completely accepting “collateral damage”. In this one example, Dexter appears to be behaving far more morally than the previous administration.
Dexter is not a true psychopath: he would not suffer as he does if when he mistakenly kills an innocent. I wish we could say that about the American excursions into the internal affairs of other countries that pose no real threat to America.


Anders Brevik: no one would have asked for a psychiatric examination had [I] been a “bearded jihadist.”

Anders Behring Breivik walks to the stand at the start of the third day of proceedings

Anders Behring Breivik walks to the stand at the start of the third day of proceedings in Oslo Photo: REUTERS/Fabrizio Bensch
The Associated Press reported:

‘Anxious to prove he’s not insane, confessed mass killer Anders Behring Breivik has told a court that questions about his mental health are part of “racist” plot to discredit his extreme anti-Muslim ideology.

Breivik, who has admitted to killing 77 people in a bombing and youth camp massacre, said Monday that no one would have asked for a psychiatric examination had he been a “bearded jihadist.”

“But because I am a militant nationalist, I am being subjected to grave racism,” he said. “They are trying to delegitimize everything I stand for.”

Breivik rejects criminal guilt for the bombing and shooting rampage on July 22, saying the victims had betrayed their country by embracing immigration. His mental state is a key issue in the trial.’

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It is interesting to note, that even Anders Brevik wonders why he is not condemned as a sane Terrorist along with Muslims who have attempted to commit similar acts. Strange though it is, I find myself wondering the same thing. Could it be that the Western intelligencia find it difficult to imagine someone could commit terrorist acts without religion? Or perhaps deep in the subconscious of the Western mindset, their refusal to acknowledge that Terrorism can be a universal trait occurring in individuals from all kinds of background means that Muslims are somehow less human, and ‘expected’ to resort to Terrorism? Perhaps a better question is why Anders Brevik is not referred to as a terrorist? If his actions look like Terrorism, and his words speak like a Terrorist – but since he is not Muslim, he can’t be a Terrorist?!

 

I suppose that is one way Islamophobes can justify the saying ‘All Terrorists are Muslim’ – since the now common definition of Terrorism, requires the participant individuals to be only Muslim!


Sam Harris, Atheism and Self-identification

A great video exposing the crafty attempt by Atheists like Sam Harris to avoid criticism by re-labelling themselves as rationalists or those advocating reason (since rationality and reason cannot be criticised directly by most people) and by hiding their positive or alternative beliefs (e.g. humanism, secularism, communism etc). It is hoped that by doing these things, Atheists can attack all other beliefs yet escape criticism themselves. The Youtube user ‘TheCartesianTheist’ provides a devastating critique of Sam Harris’ attempt to have his cake and eat it.


The Purpose of Life: a rational investigation – lecture in USA

The Purpose of Life: a rational investigation

Lecture by Abdullah al Andalusi

Friday April 13, 2012 | Franklin, Michigan, USA


GLOBAL Upcoming MDI Debates – April 2012

In the next 2 weeks MDI has 3 events, in 3 different countries, and 3 different continents!

Please click on poster to see the event details.

UK – 19th April 2012

USA – 12th April 2012

Australia – 9th April 2012


Islam and Reformation: What is the way forward? The Big Debate video

Islam and Reformation: What is the way forward?
16th March 2012
School of African and Oriental Studies (SOAS)

Can Islamic civilisation be revived? What are the solutions for the
problems in the Muslim world? Does Islam need reformation? Should
Muslims borrow from Western Political systems? What is the way
forward?

Witness two speakers, with radically opposing views, debate and discuss this highly topical issue. Attendees will be able to ask questions and voices their opinions at the event.

Abdullah al Andalusi – Muslim revivalist thinker and International speaker
vs
Mustafa Akyol – Political commentator and Author of “Between Extremes: A Muslim case for Liberty”

Enjoy this controversial and exciting debate


UK MDI Debate: Is religion less relevant to modern society?


A Statement by the The Muslim Debate Initiative (MDI) on the recent killings of Jews in France

by Paul Williams and Abdullah al Andalusi

This month the world has been rocked by tragedy after tragedy.

Still fresh in our minds are the March 11 attacks on two Afghan villages where US soldiers were reported to have lined up and shot their victims, and set them on fire. At least nine of the 17 killed were children.

And now another unspeakable tragedy, this time in Toulouse, France.  A 24-year-old Frenchman of Algerian descent is suspected of killing three Jewish children, a rabbi and three French paratroopers, who were mercilessly gunned down in cold blood. And the French people, Christian, Jewish and Muslim, all mourn the dead.

According to media reports the suspect has told police he belonged to al-Qa’ida and wanted to take revenge for Palestinian children killed in the occupied territories. Although it is true that the state of Israel has committed war crimes against the oppressed Palestinian people, the rules of war in the Sharia as taught by all Islamic scholars are clear concerning the correct Islamic manner of combat which is expected to be obeyed by Muslims in times of war.

Muslims who act unjustly, and for the unjustifiable cause of revenge, are acting outside the remit of their beliefs and succumbing to a reactionary emotional desire which ends up making them behave no different to the military forces who kill Muslim men, women and children on a daily basis. Muslims who claim to believe in a higher truth and standard of conduct should know better than to behave in a tit-for-tat manner – which is more fitting of the cynical acts of barbaric secular forces which occupy Muslim land.

The Qur’an teaches that other communities should be treated as one’s own. Fighting is justified for legitimate self-defence, to aid other Muslims and after a violation in the terms of a treaty, but should not be directed at non-combatants, ands stopped if these circumstances cease to exist.

During his life, the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) gave various injunctions to his forces and adopted practises toward the conduct of war. The most important of these were summarised by Muhammad’s companion and first Caliph, Abu Bakr, in the form of ten rules for the Muslim army:

“O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well!

Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy’s flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone.”

(Aboul-Enein, H. Yousuf and Zuhur, Sherifa, Islamic Rulings on Warfare, p. 22, Strategic Studies Institute, US Army War College, Diane Publishing Co., Darby PA, ISBN 1428910395)

We at the The Muslim Debate Initiative condemn unreservedly these barbaric acts against the Jewish community and others in South West France. We condemn all attacks on civilians and non-combatants anywhere in the world, whether perpetuated by Muslims, Christians or Jews.

Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad denounced the killings and condemned the link to Palestinian children.

“It’s time for criminals to stop using the Palestinian cause to justify their terrorist actions,” Fayyad said in a statement. “The children of Palestine want nothing but dignified lives for themselves and for all the children.”


Debate: Is Hell Just? Abdullah al Andalusi vs Farhan Qureshi

Do sinners deserve to go to Hell forever? Will only one group of people be saved, and the rest damned? Should finite sins merit eternal punishment? Should God punish those who reject him? Is Hell Just? Welcome to the public debate.

Wednesday, 18th January 2012

Abrar House, 45 Crawford Place, London

Guests:

Abdullah Al Andalusi – Portuguese revert to Islam, and International speaker on Islamic thought.

Farhan Qureshi – American Ex-Qadiyani Agnostic speaker on Eastern Philosophy and Universalism.

 

UPDATE: 11th February 2012

From: Farhan Qureshi 
To: Abdullah MDI
Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2012, 5:28
Subject: Statement for MDI

Here is my statement:

In January 2012 I had the opportunity to engage the entire Muslim Debate Initiative team which was by far a spectacular and spiritual experience for me. MDI showed me nothing but kindness and hospitality and represented their faith and tradition completely in a positive and respectful manner. Being a former Muslim I was absolutely humbled by their character and professionalism throughout my stay in London. I thank them again for their invitation and willingness to engage in debate on controversial issues. This speaks volumes in terms of their genuine faith and dedication.

Farhan Qureshi


MDI public debate – The Problem of Evil

The public debate on the Problem of Evil will be debating questions on why it exists, and why God allows it’s existence in Universe. Welcome to the public debate.

Sami Zaatari – International Speaker and member of Muslim Debate Initiative.

Debates

Farhan Qureshi – American Ex-Qadiyani Agnostic speaker on Eastern Philosophy and Universalism.

Thursday, 19th January 2012, 6:30pm

Toynbee Hall, 28 Commercial Street,  City of London E1 6LS

Free Admission – No registration required.

Nearest Station: Aldgate East Tube Station


MDI public debate – Is Hell Just?

Do sinners deserve to go to Hell forever? Will only one group of people be saved, and the rest damned? Should finite sins merit eternal punishment? Should God punish those who reject him? Is Hell Just? Welcome to the public debate.

Abdullah Al Andalusi – Portuguese revert to Islam, and International speaker on Islamic thought.

Debates

Farhan Qureshi – American Ex-Qadiyani Agnostic speaker on Eastern Philosophy and Universalism.

Wednesday, 18th January 2012, 6:30pm

Abrar House, 45 Crawford Place, Edgware Road, London, W1H 4LP

Free Admission – No registration required.

Nearest Station: Edgware Road / Marble Arch Tube Station


The Muslim perspective towards the British Flag

A presentation given to the London Naval Club in Mayfair (London, UK), on the Muslim perspective towards the British Flag. It covers the Islamic view on Nationalism, symbols of national pride and more. Don’t miss the MP’s comments after my presentation!

The Flag Institute Spring Conference 2010

Date: 14th May 2010

Presentation: The Muslim perspective on the Union Flag

Speaker: Abdullah al Andalusi


Muslim woman makes devastating refutation of those who want to ban the Burka


Of course religious and political public debates happen in the Muslim world!

Muslims and non-Muslims who attend debate events or watch the media, commonly hear the ignorant cliche “It’s great that we [in the West] here can  have such debates”, or “It’s a shame debates don’t happen in the Muslim world” or my own personal ‘favourite’: “Well, at least we can have debates like these here - you wouldn’t get this in the Muslim world”.

But these comments only betray crass ignorance and Occidental bigotry, since anyone who bothers to actually do an internet search, can see many debates happen all over the Muslim world, both at conferences, and on TV channels. We’d like to offer the following links to debate videos which are available on the internet, as proof of the variety of interesting and topical debates occurring in the Muslim world.

It should be pointed out, that the only places where religious debates are stifled, are countries where all debate is stifled. These regimes are invariably Secular in nature, and we hope the Islamic Awakening around the Muslim world will change that state of affairs, and allow intellectual life to once again flourish as it did during the classical times of Islam.

One of the most famous institutions for debate in the Muslim world is called ‘The Doha Debates’ (website can be found here) held in Bahrain. They are famous for controversial topics and debates, including “This House believes women are superior to men ” (2010), and “This House deplores the release of the Lockerbie bomber to Libya” (2009) and “This House believes the world is better off with Wikileaks” (2011).

Particularly, the Doha Debates held a controversial debate which challenged the very government of the country it was held in: “This House has no confidence in Bahrain’s promise to reform” held on 12 December 2011 led to an end vote that resulted in a victory for the anti-government motion!

As for religious debates, there are many which occur within the Muslim world, here are some easy to find ones, to name but a few:

Interfaith Debate between Jews and Muslims

Doha, United Arab Emirates, Filmed by Al-Jazeera TV (Qatar)

Who is Jesus Christ? In the light of the Bible and the Qur’an

The University of Wollongong, Dubai, United Arab Emirates 20th February 2007

Who is God and How are We Saved?

University of Wollongong, Dubai, United Arab Emirates 2nd March 2009

How Can We Find Forgiveness from a Holy God?

University of Wollongong, Dubai, United Arab Emirates 6th March 2011

Was Jesus Crucified? (Urdu)

Lahore, Pakistan. On November 25th – 27th, 2011

Muslim Sheikh debates a Scholar of the Qadiyani religion on Palestine TV