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		<title>Comment on In Praise of Christians (at least some of them) by Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;I see your aid/charity statistic and it was impressive but the charity that are suppose to give to the poorest Christian country. But unlucky they are Black Christian, so they not deserve a help. A country called Zimbabwe, Central Africa, etc.&#039;


WHAT are you talking about? 

Are you suggesting that Black Christians don&#039;t deserve help? If so, you are an absolute disgrace. 

Or are you suggesting that Western/Christian charities don&#039;t give aid to Black Christians (ie that these charities don&#039;t deem Black Christians to be deserving of help)? If so you are talking rubbish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;I see your aid/charity statistic and it was impressive but the charity that are suppose to give to the poorest Christian country. But unlucky they are Black Christian, so they not deserve a help. A country called Zimbabwe, Central Africa, etc.&#8217;</p>
<p>WHAT are you talking about? </p>
<p>Are you suggesting that Black Christians don&#8217;t deserve help? If so, you are an absolute disgrace. </p>
<p>Or are you suggesting that Western/Christian charities don&#8217;t give aid to Black Christians (ie that these charities don&#8217;t deem Black Christians to be deserving of help)? If so you are talking rubbish.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In Praise of Christians (at least some of them) by hifzan shafiee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hifzan shafiee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul,

Thank for your reminder, and I apologize who ever hurt.

UK is a great country, great facilities, great knowledge. No one will doubt that. Or, It just recently... my view point have change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>Thank for your reminder, and I apologize who ever hurt.</p>
<p>UK is a great country, great facilities, great knowledge. No one will doubt that. Or, It just recently&#8230; my view point have change.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Law is Useless, Only Jesus can Save Us? by Paul Williams</title>
		<link>http://thedebateinitiative.com/2012/01/31/the-law-is-useless-only-jesus-can-save-us/#comment-2102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;Philippians&#039; is a work by a man who never met Jesus, so his extravagant Hellenistic views are of little weight.

As all modern scholars agree John&#039;s gospel is heavily coloured by the author of that text, so it is irresponsible of you to take the words put into Jesus&#039; mouth as if they were his own speech. This is ABC stuff Ken - you should be up to speed on this!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Philippians&#8217; is a work by a man who never met Jesus, so his extravagant Hellenistic views are of little weight.</p>
<p>As all modern scholars agree John&#8217;s gospel is heavily coloured by the author of that text, so it is irresponsible of you to take the words put into Jesus&#8217; mouth as if they were his own speech. This is ABC stuff Ken &#8211; you should be up to speed on this!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Law is Useless, Only Jesus can Save Us? by Paul Williams</title>
		<link>http://thedebateinitiative.com/2012/01/31/the-law-is-useless-only-jesus-can-save-us/#comment-2101</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so here&#039;s a simple question Ken: Can God in your religion forgive sins? Note very carefully the phrasing of this question, it centers on the key concept of forgiveness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so here&#8217;s a simple question Ken: Can God in your religion forgive sins? Note very carefully the phrasing of this question, it centers on the key concept of forgiveness.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Law is Useless, Only Jesus can Save Us? by apologeticsandagape</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[apologeticsandagape]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[God did not need to torture an innocent person to death to forgive our sins, how barbaric!

&lt;i&gt; He wanted to die for us Himself, out of love.  If He Himself volunteered for it; then it is not force, and since Jesus is God and powerful and love and wanted to die for us; and He is perfect, and His rose from the dead; then it is not barbaric.&lt;/i&gt;

No. Jesus taught the free forgiveness of sins to those who sincerely repent. 

&lt;i&gt; No; He condemns your sin in hell (Matthew 5:22-30; Mark 9:48) and He says you are a slave of sin (John 8:34) and you have no hope and no peace and no salvation unless you see your sin and lost condition and that your repentance is combined with trust in Jesus Al Masih and His effective ransom, atoning death.  Romans 3:24-26. &lt;/i&gt;

Ken, the good news is that no human sacrifice is needed to placate an angry god – he forgives freely! Muslims call it “God’s mercy”.

&lt;i&gt; God&#039;s mercy is based on His holy justice and both were demonstrated in the eternal qorban - Hebrews 9:22-26; Hebrews 10:10-14.  You can only get mercy if His justice was satisfied.  His justice was satisfied at the cross, as an eternal qorban.  Those that don&#039;t believe in Him are condemned in hell forever - John 3:18; Revelation 14:10 ; 20:10-15&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God did not need to torture an innocent person to death to forgive our sins, how barbaric!</p>
<p><i> He wanted to die for us Himself, out of love.  If He Himself volunteered for it; then it is not force, and since Jesus is God and powerful and love and wanted to die for us; and He is perfect, and His rose from the dead; then it is not barbaric.</i></p>
<p>No. Jesus taught the free forgiveness of sins to those who sincerely repent. </p>
<p><i> No; He condemns your sin in hell (Matthew 5:22-30; Mark 9:48) and He says you are a slave of sin (John 8:34) and you have no hope and no peace and no salvation unless you see your sin and lost condition and that your repentance is combined with trust in Jesus Al Masih and His effective ransom, atoning death.  Romans 3:24-26. </i></p>
<p>Ken, the good news is that no human sacrifice is needed to placate an angry god – he forgives freely! Muslims call it “God’s mercy”.</p>
<p><i> God&#8217;s mercy is based on His holy justice and both were demonstrated in the eternal qorban &#8211; Hebrews 9:22-26; Hebrews 10:10-14.  You can only get mercy if His justice was satisfied.  His justice was satisfied at the cross, as an eternal qorban.  Those that don&#8217;t believe in Him are condemned in hell forever &#8211; John 3:18; Revelation 14:10 ; 20:10-15</i></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Law is Useless, Only Jesus can Save Us? by Paul Williams</title>
		<link>http://thedebateinitiative.com/2012/01/31/the-law-is-useless-only-jesus-can-save-us/#comment-2099</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ken a pattern is developing here: you like to portray yourself as a knowledgable person - in order to impress the Muslims no doubt. You dismiss books as &#039;liberal&#039; and &#039;worthless&#039; and pronounce authoritatively on English translations of the Arabic Quran.

But we are not deceived: you are a fraud Ken. You confess you have not read Brown&#039;s book a book which is universally lauded as one of the best if not the very best work on the NT. But that does not stop you from arrogantly dismissing it. Typically fundamentalist behaviour. 

You dismiss expert translations of the Quran because you claim to know Farsi, a completely different language! What a joke. 

Ken you are a light-weight who has no intellectual integrity left at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken a pattern is developing here: you like to portray yourself as a knowledgable person &#8211; in order to impress the Muslims no doubt. You dismiss books as &#8216;liberal&#8217; and &#8216;worthless&#8217; and pronounce authoritatively on English translations of the Arabic Quran.</p>
<p>But we are not deceived: you are a fraud Ken. You confess you have not read Brown&#8217;s book a book which is universally lauded as one of the best if not the very best work on the NT. But that does not stop you from arrogantly dismissing it. Typically fundamentalist behaviour. </p>
<p>You dismiss expert translations of the Quran because you claim to know Farsi, a completely different language! What a joke. </p>
<p>Ken you are a light-weight who has no intellectual integrity left at all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Law is Useless, Only Jesus can Save Us? by apologeticsandagape</title>
		<link>http://thedebateinitiative.com/2012/01/31/the-law-is-useless-only-jesus-can-save-us/#comment-2098</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[apologeticsandagape]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Philippians 2:6 - &quot;although existing in the form of God&quot; - morphe = form, cannot mean &quot;outward form&quot; - since God has no physical or outward form.  It means Jesus&#039; internal nature was God and that He also took on a human body and nature.  

God the Father exalted Jesus again, after He humbled Himself by becoming human and dying on the cross.  See also John 17:5

All of the meaning of all those verses together means that Jesus pre-existed, as the Word of God کلمه الله  from all eternity  ازل  ; the eternal Son; and became human in the womb of Mary, and lived and taught and allowed Himself to be killed and rose from the dead. 

Yes, they all clearly teach the Deity of Christ.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philippians 2:6 &#8211; &#8220;although existing in the form of God&#8221; &#8211; morphe = form, cannot mean &#8220;outward form&#8221; &#8211; since God has no physical or outward form.  It means Jesus&#8217; internal nature was God and that He also took on a human body and nature.  </p>
<p>God the Father exalted Jesus again, after He humbled Himself by becoming human and dying on the cross.  See also John 17:5</p>
<p>All of the meaning of all those verses together means that Jesus pre-existed, as the Word of God کلمه الله  from all eternity  ازل  ; the eternal Son; and became human in the womb of Mary, and lived and taught and allowed Himself to be killed and rose from the dead. </p>
<p>Yes, they all clearly teach the Deity of Christ.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Non-Muslim Residents of an Islamic State by Paul Williams</title>
		<link>http://thedebateinitiative.com/2012/02/23/non-muslim-residents-of-an-islamic-state/#comment-2097</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Mark

I recommend you visit &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hizb.org.uk/what-is-khilafah/qa-on-khilafah&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Q&amp;A on Khilafah &lt;/a&gt;for your questions....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark</p>
<p>I recommend you visit <a href="http://www.hizb.org.uk/what-is-khilafah/qa-on-khilafah" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Q&amp;A on Khilafah </a>for your questions&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Non-Muslim Residents of an Islamic State by mark</title>
		<link>http://thedebateinitiative.com/2012/02/23/non-muslim-residents-of-an-islamic-state/#comment-2096</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1).explain what tax i would pay being a dhimmi compared to a muslim 
2).what political seat that i would be able to achieve being a dhimmi  
3) wud i be able to join the army ?
4) would i be able to preach my religion to others and convert others to my religion ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1).explain what tax i would pay being a dhimmi compared to a muslim<br />
2).what political seat that i would be able to achieve being a dhimmi<br />
3) wud i be able to join the army ?<br />
4) would i be able to preach my religion to others and convert others to my religion ?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Law is Useless, Only Jesus can Save Us? by apologeticsandagape</title>
		<link>http://thedebateinitiative.com/2012/01/31/the-law-is-useless-only-jesus-can-save-us/#comment-2095</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[apologeticsandagape]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I have not read Brown&#039;s book, but I have read enough quotes from it, etc. - Brown is quoted a lot by Protestant vs. Roman Catholic debates.  Even Roman Catholics don&#039;t like him because he is basically a liberal scholar.

I know enough of Brown (in online discussions and debates with Roman Catholics) to know his views on the infancy narratives, etc. - I have not memorized his statements, but I do remember that there was extensive quotes from Brown&#039;s books in RC vs. Evangelical debates.  

I know where you are coming from, basically, and we have heard these liberal arguments before from Bultmann, Tillich, Schleirmacker, Walter Bauer, etc.   (Jesus of history vs. Jesus of dogma; Jesus and James vs. Pauline theology) - Hogwash! - the 27 books of the NT  are one unified revelation coming from the mind and Spirit of God - God-breathed - 2 Tim. 3:16-17.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I have not read Brown&#8217;s book, but I have read enough quotes from it, etc. &#8211; Brown is quoted a lot by Protestant vs. Roman Catholic debates.  Even Roman Catholics don&#8217;t like him because he is basically a liberal scholar.</p>
<p>I know enough of Brown (in online discussions and debates with Roman Catholics) to know his views on the infancy narratives, etc. &#8211; I have not memorized his statements, but I do remember that there was extensive quotes from Brown&#8217;s books in RC vs. Evangelical debates.  </p>
<p>I know where you are coming from, basically, and we have heard these liberal arguments before from Bultmann, Tillich, Schleirmacker, Walter Bauer, etc.   (Jesus of history vs. Jesus of dogma; Jesus and James vs. Pauline theology) &#8211; Hogwash! &#8211; the 27 books of the NT  are one unified revelation coming from the mind and Spirit of God &#8211; God-breathed &#8211; 2 Tim. 3:16-17.</p>
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