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Jesus – Prophet or God? Islam vs. Christianity A Public Debate.

MDI America: Jesus – Prophet or God? Islam vs. Christianity

 Guest Speakers:

Donald Wolan – Pastor and Mission Team Leader of Downriver Christian Community Church in Melvindale, MI

Shadid Lewis – Convert to Islam, member of the Muslim Debate Initiative & President of the Hampton Islamic Center in Hampton, VA

 

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  1. TRINITRIANS the only indivisible GOD the creator exhorted mankind as regard the ubiquitous subject of trinity (enjoy the truth) ‘ O people of the scripture (today’s euro christendom)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion nor say of ALLAH aught but the truth. The Messiah Isa (Jesus), son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of ALLAH and his word, (‘Be’ and he Jesus’ become) which HE-GOD the creator bestowed on Mary and spirit created by GOD the creator; so believe in ALLAH and his messenger. Say not three (trinity)”! CEASE! (it is ) better for you. For ALLAH is (the only) one GOD, glory be to Him(for Exalted is HE) above having a son. To him belong all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth, and ALLAH is all sufficient as a disposer of affairs”. (QURAN 4:171)

    • Christianity is falsehood, it teaches a woman gave birth to God, how that even possible?. And Christianity allows incest, rape, human sacrifice, murder, cannibaism etc,,) Killing of non believers : 1 Corinthians 16:22 , Leviticus 24: 13-16 , Deutronomy 17:12 & 17:2-5 Sexism : Leviticus 20:10.cannibalism – 2 Kings -6:28-29. War – Rev 19:11 , 14 Also the bible has incestuous rape in 2 Kings 13:4 and Inbreeding in Gen 19 : 31-36, With proof from the Bible Christianity is falsehood. I will invite you to Islam (the religion of peace) and leave a religion which can’t even prove the authenticity of the book they follow.

  2. I believe that all religions; Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Shinto, Judaism, etc. should be allowed to exist. Anybody should be free to enter or leave any religion of his/her choice. Nobody should be put into a disadvantage merely on account his /her religion. People should be free to preach their religion anywhere without hindrance. Nobody should use violence to propagate religion. But any religion that does accept these fundamental issues or principles should not be allowed to exist, for the simple reason that any violation of these fundamental issues is a panacea for intolerance and strife.

    Now, I don’t believe that Jesus and Islam’s prophet Mohammed came from the same sources. Check their teachings about tolerance are opposite. They teaching about sex is not the same. There is no sex in Jesus’ heaven, and too much of it in Mohammed’s.

    I dont believe in Mohammed’s message because he claimed to be from the same source as Christ. Jesus never mentioned Jinnis and houris in his teaching but Mohammed did. Jesus never practiced circumbulation and no Bible prophet ever did, though ancient pagans of the middle east did. Jesus quoted the old testaments in his teachings but Mohammed claimed that the real old testament had been corrupted, and gave the world the Koran. But through history and archaeology we now know there are no material differences between copies of the old testament existing before the time of Christ, during the time of Christ, and the present age. Also museums have copies & fragments of the new testament dating from the 2nd century AD, and they are not different from today’s one. So when did the corruptions, the Islamic Jibril informed Mohammed about happen. Was there no survivor of the correct Bible?

    • Jesus cant be the son of God caude God doesnt need anyone !!! and the story the bible tell is that muhammad is the last prophet of ALLAH . But today as u christians didnt want to follow good deeds you guys changed the Bible. look in the Bible of Australia and then look in the Bible of America .It is all different, they Holy Quran is the same every where! no one can even change it.Whatever the Quran said is true it never lied ! Jesus never drank wine as u guys do !He is not the Son of God ! if still dont believe research more about both religions. otherwise the day of judgement is there!! One more thing that Jesus was taken to heaven before he was hanged! the Quran never lied see every thing! And the Jews have made the difference between us !

      • Read Quran chapter properly.to be of the opinion that the bible (hebrew and greek scriptures) are not to be viewed as the Word of God…that the text is compromised and untrustworthy.However, i’d like to ask what the opinion is on these verses from the Quran which encourages the use of the bible?Āl ‘Imrān [3]:3, 4, NJD: “He has revealed to you the Book with the truth, confirming the scriptures which preceded it;for He has already revealed the Torah and the Gospel [Injīl in Arabic] for the guidance of men.”Al-Mā’idah [5]:46, 47: And in their footsteps, We sent ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), confirming the Taurat (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurat (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqun (the pious)Yūnus [10]:94.“If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee.”It seems to me that the Quran is endorsing the use of the holy bible rather then trying tocorrect its teachings. I’d like to know where this idea that the bible needed correcting comes from?And if the bible was falsified ‘later’ as muslims claim, then when is ‘later’? It must have been before Mohammads time, otherwise he would not have come and declared that it had been changed… but thenif it was before Mohammad, why would the Quran (which was written AFTER Mohammads time) direct people to the bible

        • Jesus can’t not be a son of God, first of all how come God would have a son if He is not human?. God is One and not three Bible says “Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”
          [The Bible, Mark 12:29]. Also “I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me.”
          [The Bible, Isaiah 45:5]. And according to the Bible Jesus prayed, and had a God himself so Will you worship Jesus, or the one Jesus worshipped?. Logically you worship the one Jesus prayed to.But christians want to worship the man (Jesus), How can you insult God in such a manner, you Christians should be ashamed of yourselves for ascribing such rubbish to God.

      • If Muslims are ever going to have a clear conscience concerning what Christians believe and live in peace with God they will have to obey what the Quran clearly says in Surah 5:47 concerning what Allah has revealed therein “the Gospel.Do not try to avoid this any longer, and quit making war against Gods chosen people of the Gospel. We people of the Book, the Bible, the Gospel have your Allah’s blessing to believe what is written therein the Gospel and we can Judge according what is written thereinthe Gospel.Do deny this is to deny any longer. To Deny Surah 5:47 is to be defiantly disobedient to your Quran and go against what your Allah has declared tobe true concerning the Gospel.If you want to be a liar, then speak against your own book, the Quran and your own god, Allah,Surah 5:47 “And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does notjudge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.”

        • good question . Since muslims through the verses of the Quran accept all the Messengers of the Abrahamic faiths.which includes Moses pbuh and Jesus pbuh , then it stands to reason that they came with divine revelation for the guidance of their people . Since the Quran is also a divine revelation ,then God is confirming that the message of the Quran is the same as what WAS revealed to the previous mesengers . . However God chides the people of the book namely the jews and the christians for having corrupted the pure teachings of Moses pbuh and Jesus pbuh . The jews stand accused of changing their scripture with the result that they have changed their religion into a racist cult , all save but a handful of true believers. As for the christians, they have taken a messenger of God and turned him into God which is the height of blasphemy and today christianity is in utter confusion with over 3000 denominations which the Quran confirms . However you will find that the Orthodox eastern european churches follow teachings closest to what Jesus pbuh preached . So the Quran is spot on about the people of the book but read the verses in context and lok at all the verses . Since there is only One God ,He is confirming the mission of HIS messengers . Had everyone followed the teachings as was originally taught and not intefered with the scriptures , we would all have been following the one religion taught by God to us all through His messengers ..

          • Haroon, you need to do more research on the Quran and Mohammad. Why is the Quran full of praising Christians and Jews one time and finding a reason to hate and kill them later on.in the Sura’s. The Quran came from the writing of ONE man, Mohammad. Mohammad started the Islamic religion and was killing anyone who would not agree to submit to what HE said about God (Allah) and he new invented religion, Islam. Islam was invented to make Mohammad a rich man, he used it as a excuse to kill others and take what they owned to make him rich, including their women. (sound familiar, just look at ISIS, that is what they are doing today to survive). Mohammad even plagiarized the Book (the Bible) just to a google search on Quran plagiarized Bible verses and see what you find. Mohammad did this so that the Quran would “sound” like the Book, the Bible so Christians and Jews would become his disciples. When the Christians and Jews rejected Mohammad and his plagiarized Quran (Bible) he started jihad on the Christians and Jews.. That is why some suras praise the people of the Book and then later on suras call fro their destruction. Mohammad was a Psychopath, he was a know pedophile, he killed people to take their posessions and killed them when they did not become his disciples. , Mohammad was documented to have talked to Jinns (demons – Satan) in a cave and this is the time when he was inspired to write the Quran and start Islam. If you take Mohammad out of Islam, there is NO Islam religion. Take 10 writers out of the Book (Bible) and you still have Gods word , although a partial Bible but still has the truth and it will lead you to the knowledge of God ans salvation..

      • Hi I have a question do you believe bible is corrupted? Yes, so the burden of proof is on you. Do you read Greek and Latin? I’m sure not so how can you speak of Bible being corrupted if you don’t even know the language of the earliest manuscripts? I do read Greek and Latin I must say every bible manuscript agrees Jesus willing died on a cross buried 3 days and then rose from dead! From the earliest to latest manuscripts!! So I will become Muslim if you can show me one manuscript of bible that says the opposite! Sure you won’t find it! And by the way the Father did not beget a Son because he was in need! Go read what is Christians actually believe then we can talk!!

      • And also if the story of the Bible is about Muhammad then show me one Ancient Greek manuscript that mentions him? And please don’t use the Gospel of John chapter 14-16 that is a horrible argument! And you said Jesus did not drink wine it just goes to show your ignorance of the Bible. Read Gospel John 1 vs 1-12, Luke 22 vs 7 -39, mark 14 vs 12-26, and Matthew 26 vs 17-30!!

      • according to the Bible prophet Muhammad was a prophet of God and he was foretold in the Bible .All prophets of God were muslims and Jesus was a prophet of God too. Bible Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Islam is peace. Don’t allow the media deceive you.Take the Quran and read it .

  3. GOD’S DIVINE STRUCTURE

    THE PRESENCE OF GOD IN HEAVEN IS GOD

    God lives in heaven as his dwelling place with the host of heaven and angels around him.

    THE MEDIUM OF COMMUNICATION OF GOD IS GOD

    (1) God has a Spiritual medium or device of communicating with his angels

    (2) God has a Spiritual medium or device of communicating with humans.

    The Spiritual medium of communication of God is known as the Spirit of God

    JOEL 2:28

    And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions.

    THREE MEDIUM OF COMMUNICATION BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD MENTIONED IN JOEL 2:28

    (1) PROPHESY- Means what prophet says after receiving a message from God.
    (2) DREAMS- God (by his Spirit) can communicate through dreams
    (3) VISIONS- God can show you things even without dream, through his Spirit.

    The pouring out of the Lord’s Spirit upon all flesh is the manifestation of the Holy Ghost in the New Testament, the Holy Ghost was poured to all already, it is left for you to accept or reject him.

    THE PRESENCE OF GOD ON EARTH IS ALSO GOD

    God did not left heaven and came down to earth to create anything; it was his word and his Holy Spirit that represent his presence on earth.

    As a matter of fact everything that God did on earth, is not by leaving his heavenly throne to come and do it?
    He has his word that became the Lord Jesus Christ in the New Testament and his Holy Spirit representing his presence already on earth.

    God will never leave heaven to come and fight demons, if demons can appear physical, then his word the Lord Jesus Christ also became physical and paid the price for the battle.
    And if demons remain Spiritual then the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus will also conquer them spiritually.

    All we need to do is to rely on the representatives of the presence of God on earth.

  4. To our brother’s in islam they believe God send he’s “internal holy spirit(ihs)”. they don’t believe jesus christ is Son of god because on bible and koran God has no flesh,Now OUR God send he’s ihs to earth,Now before our Godfaher send he’s ihs”jesus christ” to earth.. it travel’s start from heaven then to earth before it go to the womb of our Mother mary it has no flesh..Internal holy spirit has no flesh. JESUS CHRIST is really a God son/SON OF GOD then born as a man here on Earth…

    • As Muslims we have no choice. We had said in many words:

      ” WE BELIEVE IN ONE CREATOR, WE BELIEVE IN ALL HIS PROPHETS, WE BELIEVE, THAT JESUS (peace be upon him) WAS ONE OF THE MIGHTIEST PROPHETS OF GOD, THAT HE WAS THE MESSIAH AS WELL AS THE WORD OF GOD,(Be) THAT HE WAS BORN MIRACULOUSLY- WITHOUT ANY MALE INTERVENTION (which many modern-day Christians do not believe today),THAT HE GAVE LIFE TO THE DEAD BY GOD’S PERMISSION, AND THAT HE HEALED THOSE BORN BLIND AND THE LEPERS BY GOD’S PERMISSION.”

      How then CAN MAN BE JUSTIFIED WITH GOD? or how can he be clean THAT IS BORN OF A WOMAN?
      Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight.
      How MUCH LESS MAN, THAT IS A WORM? and the SON OF MAN, WHICH IS A WORM? Job 25:4-6

      In John 17:3, Jesus is also quoted as saying: “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, WHOM THOU HAST SENT.” (see also,John 4:34, 5:30, 7:16 &28, 11:42, 13:16, 14:24).

      One Who Sends is GREATER than the One Who Was Sent:

      “Jesus said; ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, A SLAVE IS NOT GREATER than his MASTER; neither One Who Is Sent Greater Than The ONE Who SENT HIM.’ ” (John 13:16)

      “He [Jesus] said: ‘I am indeed a servant of Allah: He has given me Revelation and Made Me A Prophet’” (Quran 19:30)

      The Qur’aanic revelation not only affirms Jesus’ prophethood, but it also clearly denies Jesus’ divinity.
      In Chapter al-Maa’idah, (5): 75, God points out that Jesus (Peace be upon him) Ate Food, which is a human act, obviously NOT BEFITTING TO GOD.

      “The Messiah, Son of Mary, was no more than a messenger and MANY MESSENGERS PASSED AWAY BEFORE HIM. His mother was exceedingly truthful, and THEY BOTH ATE FOOD. See how I have made the signs clear for them, yet see how they are deluded.” (Quraan 5:75)

      “He [Jesus] said: ‘I am indeed a SERVANT OF ALLAH: He has given me Revelation and Made Me A Prophet’” (Quran 19:30)

      So was Jesus a“Servant Of Allah (i.e.servant of God According to the Bible, Yes. Or, at least, that is what we understand from Matthew 12:18:

      “BEHOLD! MY SERVANT WHOM I HAVE CHOSEN …” Furthermore, Acts of the Apostles traces the growth of the early church for the first thirty years following Jesus’ ministry, but nowhere in Acts did Jesus’ disciples ever call Jesus “God.” Rather, they referred to Jesus AS A MAN AND GOD’S SERVANT.

      For truly in this city there were gathered together against thy Holy Servant Jesus. . . (Acts 4:27)
      Everyone, except for God, are God’s servants. Jesus, too, is God’s servant.

      Jesus(Peace be upon him) is quoted in John 5:30, as saying: “I Can Of Mine Own Self Do Nothing…”. and in Luke 11:20, as saying, “But If I With The Finger Of God cast out devils, no doubt the Kingdom of God is come upon you.”

      Thus, the essence of the message of Jesus(Peace be upon him) was that only God deserves to be worshipped and that the worship of anyone or anything besides God or along with God is false. Jesus not only called people to this message but he also practically demonstrated it for them by BOWING DOWN IN PRAYER AND WORSHIPPING GOD HIMSELF.

      In Mark 14:32, it states: “And they went to a place which was called Gethsemane; and he [Jesus] said to his disciples, ‘Sit Here, While I Pray.’ And in Luke 5:16, “BUT HE WITHDREW TO THE WILDERNESS AND PRAYED.”

      Jesus(Peace be upon him) Called Them To Worship The One True God Who Is Unique In His Qualities. God Does Not Have The Attributes Of His Creation, Nor Does Any Creature Share Any Of His Attributes.

      In Matthew 19:16-17, when the man called Prophet Jesus(Peace be upon him) ‘good’, saying, “Good teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” Prophet Jesus replied,
      “Why do you CALL ME GOOD? No One Is Good But One, That Is, God.”

      He denied the attribution of ‘infinite goodness’ or ‘perfect goodness’ to himself, and affirmed that this attribute belongs to Allaah alone.
      The vast majority of Christians today pray to Jesus, claiming that he is God. Jesus’ message, which urged mankind to Worship One God Alone, became distorted after his departure.

      Allah says in the Quran
      “0 People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion, and do not say anything concerning Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers (the Qur’an 4:171; see also 66:12).

      Submission
      The name Muslim in Arabic means “One Who Submits To The Will Of God.”

      “…It is He who named you Muslims both before and in this [scripture, the Qur’aan].” Qur’aan, (22):78

      The foundation of Jesus’ message was Submission To The Will Of God, because that is the foundation of the religion which God prescribed for man since the beginning of time. God says in Chapter Aal ‘Imraan, the third chapter of the Qur‘aan, verse 19:
      “Truly, the religion in the sight of Allaah is Islaam [submission].3:19

      In Arabic, submission to God’s will is expressed by the word ‘Islam.

      Muhammad came along approximately 600 years later, bringing the same message again: “AND YOUR GOD IS ONE GOD: THERE IS NO GOD BUT HE, …” Quran (2:163)

      “…I AM YOUR LORD AND CHERISHER: THEREFORE, SERVE ME (AND NO OTHER)…”Quran 21:92

      The most concise definition of God in islam is given in the four verses of surah Ikhlas which is Chapter 112 of the quran:

      “SAY: HE IS ALLAH, THE ONE AND ONLY.
      “ALLAH, THE ETERNAL, ABSOLUTE.
      “HE BEGETS NOT, NOR IS HE BEGOTTEN.
      AND THERE IS NONE LIKE UNTO HIM.(Quran Chapter 112)

      “THERE IS NOTHING LIKE HIM (He is beyond all comparison), and HE IS THE ALL-HEARING, THE ALL-SEEING”. (42:11)

      In the Qur’aan Allah clearly states:
      “FOR WE ASSUREDLY SENT AMONGST EVERY PEOPLE A PROPHET,(WITH THE COMMAND) WORSHIP ME AND AVOID FALSE GODS ” (Soorsh Al-Nahl 16:36)

      Thus, the final Prophet of Islam is reported to have said, “Anyone who says:
      THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND DIES HOLDING THAT (BELIEF) WILL ENTER PARADISE”.

      “Verily Allah will NOT FORGIVE the joining of partners with Him, but HE MAY FORGIVE (sins) LESS THAN THAT for whom so ever He wishes” Quran (Soorah An- Nisaa 4:48 and 116)

      In Chapter As-Saff (61):6, God quotes Jesus as follows:
      “And [remember] when Jesus, son of Mary, said:
      ‘O Children of Israel, I am the messenger of Allaah sent to you, confirming the Torah [which came] before me.”
      Quran 61:6

      O seeker of truth, if you really seek the truth put aside all preconceived notions, and open your heart….do not let others judge or make a decision for you.

      And do not follow (blindly) any information of which you have no (direct) knowledge.(Using your faculties of perception and conception, you must verify it for yourself. (In the Court of your Lord,) you will be held accountable for your hearing, sight, and the faculty of reasoning. ” (Quran17:36)

      Pray to Allah by whatever name you know Him.
      Pray to your Creator, the Creator of the universe and everything in-between with sincerity ask Him to guide you in your heart and in your mind to the religion of Truth and to make you pleased with it and you will find if you are sincere He will answer your Prayer and you will find the religion of truth enters your heart.

      Peace be on you Read The Last & Final Testament Of God The Quran On Line With An Open Mind

      Read about Jesus(Peace be upon him) Quran Chapter 3:33-84 Chapter 5:72-78 and Chapter 19 Surah Maryam

      http://dar-us-salam.com/TheNobleQuran/index.html http://www.quranabc.com/quran/#/The%20Qur'an/2

      https://islam100.wordpress.com/

      Read on line Books( Islam, Muhammad, Jesus, Mary etc.)

      http://www.islamhouse.com/pg/9661/books/1

      http://www.islamicbook.ws/english/english-034.pdf

      http://www.miraclesofthequran

      http://www.guideus.tv/ http://islam101.net/

      http://www.islamtomorrow.com/default.asp

      • If you were told to believe in prophets why you did not include the teachings of Moses, Isaiah, Samuel, Jeremiah, Daniel, etc?

        If Muhammad came 600 years later how can he quote the words of Jesus?

        How many writers or witnesses in your qur’an?

        Try to read what Jesus says John 10:30 or John 10:1-42. Read also John 3:16 and try to meditate every word on it.

  5. Jesus is the Son of God. He had to come to earth, so people could believe. It was all in God’s plan to send Jesus, His only Son to earth, and died for our sins on the cross. We don’t even know who muhammed is, never heard of him only via the muslims. But everybody knows Jesus Christ.

    • Read the Quran and then read the bile with an open mind.

      By saying Jesus is the son of God is blasphemy, for every nation there was a prophet .

      So Jesus was a prophet for the Jesus.

      • The Quran says in Surah 5:47 “And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.”

        So i being a Gospel believing Christian and if I’m going to believe anything from Alah it is going to be revealed ito me in the Gospel found only n the Bible and not the Quran. So for for you to disagree with me or any other Christian from now on is to be disobedient to Alah and the Quran according to Surah 5:47

        The Gospel according to the Apostle Paul says in the 2nd Book of Corinthians chapter 13,

        2 Cor 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. At the mouth of two witnesses or three shall every word be established.

        The Gospel says according to the Apostle John clearly says, Jesus is the Son of God.

        1 John 4
        15 Whoso shall confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of :God, God abideth in him, and he in :God.

        The Gospel says according to the Apostle Matthew that Jesus is God’s Son.

        Mat 3:16 And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him;
        Mat 3:17 and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

        Later on in Gospel according to the Apostle Matthew the Spirit of God appears to Peter James and John with Jesus and claims Jesus is God’s Son.

        Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into a high mountain apart:
        Mat 17:2 and he was transfigured before them; and his face did shine as the sun, and his garments became white as the light.
        Mat 17:3 And behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with him.
        Mat 17:4 And Peter answered, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, I will make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.
        Mat 17:5 While he was yet speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold, a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

        The Gospel according the the Apostle Luke agrees that Jesus is the Son of God by the angel Gabriel’s testimony to Mary, Jesus’ mother.
        Luk 1:26 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
        Luk 1:27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary.
        Luk 1:28 And he came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee.
        Luk 1:29 But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this might be.
        Luk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favor with God.
        Luk 1:31 And behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
        Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Most High: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
        Luk 1:33 and he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
        Luk 1:34 And Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
        Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God.

        The Gospel of God according to the Apostle Paul says in the book of Romans Jesus is both the Son of God and our Lord.

        Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
        Rom 1:2 which he promised afore through his prophets in the holy scriptures,
        Rom 1:3 concerning his Son, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,
        Rom 1:4 who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead; even Jesus Christ our Lord,

        Jesus is called “the prophet” according to the Gospel of John after he offered prayer to God his father and blessed 5 loves of barley bread and two fish and then broke it up and fed 5 thousand people. ( a sign that God is with his Son by these miracles)

        Joh 6:3 And Jesus went up into the mountain, and there he sat with his disciples.
        Joh 6:4 Now the passover, the feast of the Jews, was at hand.
        Joh 6:5 Jesus therefore lifting up his eyes, and seeing that a great multitude cometh unto him, saith unto Philip, Whence are we to buy bread, that these may eat?
        Joh 6:6 And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do.
        Joh 6:7 Philip answered him, Two hundred shillings’ worth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one may take a little.
        Joh 6:8 One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother, saith unto him,
        Joh 6:9 There is a lad here, who hath five barley loaves, and two fishes: but what are these among so many?
        Joh 6:10 Jesus said, Make the people sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand.
        Joh 6:11 Jesus therefore took the loaves; and having given thanks, he distributed to them that were set down; likewise also of the fishes as much as they would.
        Joh 6:12 And when they were filled, he saith unto his disciples, Gather up the broken pieces which remain over, that nothing be lost.
        Joh 6:13 So they gathered them up, and filled twelve baskets with broken pieces from the five barley loaves, which remained over unto them that had eaten.
        Joh 6:14 When therefore the people saw the sign which he did, they said, This is of a truth the prophet that cometh into the world.

        The Gospel according to the Apostle Paul says Jesus died for your sins and mine and was raised from the dead after three days,

        1 Corinthians 15
        1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also ye received, in which also ye stand,
        2 by which also ye are being saved, if ye hold fast to the word which I preached to you, except ye believed to no purpose.
        3 For I delivered to you among first things what also I received: that Christ died for our: sins according to the scriptures;
        4 and that he was buried; and that he hath been raised on the third: day according to the scriptures;

        The Gospel according to the Apostle Paul says those who do not believe what we are telling them about Jesus being the Son of God in God the Father’s own image are veiled in darkness and are perishing, meaning destined to go to Hell because their sins are not forgiven/

        2Co 4:3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled in them that perish:
        2Co 4:4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them.
        2Co 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake.
        2Co 4:6 Seeing it is God, that said, Light shall shine out of darkness, who shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

        Jesus said according the the Gospel of the Apostle John said our work is we are to believe on whom God has sent, his Son

        Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

        Jesus said he was sent from God to do His will and accomplish His work.

        John 4:34 :Jesus saith to them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to accomplish his :work.

        Jesus said he came forth from God and if you do not believe he is God’s Son then your Father is Satan according to the Gospel of John

        John 8
        42 :Jesus said to them, If :God were your Father, ye would love me: for I came forth and am come from :God, for neither have I come of myself, but HE sent me.
        43 Wherefore understand ye not :my :speech? Because ye cannot hear :my :word
        44 Y E are of the father, the devil, and the lusts of your :father ye will to do. H E was a manslayer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because no truth is in him. When he speaketh the lie, he speaketh of his :own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
        45 But I, because I say the truth, ye believe me not.

        • “And the crowds said, ‘THIS IS THE PROPHET JESUS of Nazareth of Galilee.’ ” (Matt 21:11)
          In Mark, 6:4, it is stated that Jesus(Peace be upon him) referred to himself as a prophet: “And Jesus said to them, ‘A PROPHET IS NOT WITHOUT HONOUR, except in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.’
          ” In the following verses, Jesus(Peace be upon him) is referred to as having been sent as a messenger is sent.
          In Matthew 10:40, Jesus was purported to have said: “He that receiveth YOU receiveth ME, and he that receiveth ME receiveth HIM THAT SENT ME.” (Matt10:40)
          “Nevertheless I (Jesus) must walk to day, and tomorrow, and the [day] following: for it cannot be that a PROPHET PERISH OUT OF JERUSALEM.” (Luke 13:33)
          “And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A PROPHET IS NOT WITHOUT HONOUR, save in his own country, and in his own house.” Matthew 13:57 also in Mark 6:4, Luke 4:24, John 4:43
          Jesus refers to himself as a Prophet, Others also called Jesus a Prophet but Never called his disciples “A group of Prophets” Jesus was called a Prophet by others:
          “And when he would have put him to death, he feared the multitude, because THEY COUNTED HIM AS A PROPHET.” Matt 14:5
          “And the multitude said, This is Jesus THE PROPHET OF NAZARETH of Galilee.” Matthew 21:11
          “But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because THEY TOOK HIM FOR A PROPHET.” Matt 21:46
          “And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, WHICH WAS A PROPHET MIGHTY IN DEED and word before God and all the people:” Luke 24:19
          “The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that THOU ART A PROPHET.” John 4:19
          “Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth THAT PROPHET THAT SHOULD COME INTO THE WORLD.” John 6:14
          “Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, OF A TRUTH THIS IS THE PROPHET.” John If these statements were inaccurate, why didn’t Jesus correct them?
          Why didn’t he define his divinity if, that is, he truly was divine? When the woman at the well stated, “Sir, I perceive that YOU ARE A PROPHET’” (John 4:19)
          , why didn’t he thank her for her lowly impression, but explain there was more to his essence than prophethood?
          Or was there? Jesus Christ, a mere man? Could it be?
          A good part of the religiously introspective world wonders, “Why not?”
          Acts 2:22 records Jesus as “Jesus of Nazareth, A MAN attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves also know.”
          Jesus himself is recorded as having said, “But now you seek to kill me, A MAN who has told you the truth which I heard from God …” (John 8:40).
          As Muslims we have no choice. We had said in many words:” WE BELIEVE IN ONE CREATOR, WE BELIEVE IN ALL HIS PROPHETS, WE BELIEVE, THAT JESUS (peace be upon him) WAS ONE OF THE MIGHTIEST PROPHETS OF GOD, THAT HE WAS THE MESSIAH AS WELL AS THE WORD OF GOD,(Be) THAT HE WAS BORN MIRACULOUSLY- WITHOUT ANY MALE INTERVENTION (which many modern-day Christians do not believe today),THAT HE GAVE LIFE TO THE DEAD BY GOD’S PERMISSION, AND THAT HE HEALED THOSE BORN BLIND AND THE LEPERS BY GOD’S PERMISSION.”
          The Noble Qur’an highlights the important aspects of Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) mother, his birth, his mission and his ascension to heaven.
          “…THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS, HEAR, O ISRAEL; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD .” (Mark 12:29)
          NO ONE CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS; for a slave will either HATE the one and LOVE the other…” Matthew 6 : 24
          Abraham, Moses, and Jesus (peace be upon them) all spoke about this one God and worshipped Him alone.
          In the Gospel According to Matthew, 26:39 (King James Version) we are told that Jesus “FELL ON HIS FACE, and prayed” to God. And he went a little farther, and FELL ON HIS FACE, AND PRAYED, saying, O MY FATHER, IF IT BE POSSIBLE, LET THIS CUP PASS FROM ME: nevertheless NOT AS I WILL, but AS THOU WILT. (Matthew 26:39)
          Jesus declares that the ONE HE PRAYED TO IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD. 3And this is life eternal, that THEY MIGHT KNOW THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, WHOM THOU HAST SENT. (John 17:3)
          “‘YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND HIM ONLY YOU SHALL SERVE.’” (Luke 4:8) “My food is TO DO THE WILL OF HIM WHO SENT ME …” (John 4:34)
          “ICAN OF MYSELF DO NOTHING … I DO NOT SEEK MY OWN WILL BUT THE WILL OF THE FATHER WHO SENT ME.” (John5:30)
          “FOR I HAVE COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, NOT TO DO MY OWN WILL, BUT THE WILL OF HIM WHO SENT ME.” (John 6:38) “My doctrine IS NOT MINE, but His who SENT me.” (John 7:16)
          “I am ascending to MY Father and YOUR Father, and to MY God and YOUR God.” (John 20:17)
          WHY DO CHRISTIAN SAY THAT GOD IS THREE IN ONE AND ONE IN THREE WHEN JESUS SAYS in Mark 12 :29
          The lord Our God is One Lord in as many places as yet in the Bible ? Muhammad came along approximately 600 years later, bringing the same message again: “AND YOUR GOD IS ONE GOD: THERE IS NO GOD BUT HE, …” Quran (2:163) “.
          ..I AM YOUR LORD AND CHERISHER: THEREFORE, SERVE ME (AND NO OTHER)…”Quran 21:92
          The most concise definition of God in islam is given in the four verses of surah Ikhlas which is Chapter 112 of the quran:
          “SAY: HE IS ALLAH, THE ONE AND ONLY.
          “ALLAH, THE ETERNAL, ABSOLUTE.
          “HE BEGETS NOT, NOR IS HE BEGOTTEN.
          AND THERE IS NONE LIKE UNTO HIM.(Quran Chapter 112)
          “THERE IS NOTHING LIKE HIM (He is beyond all comparison), and HE IS THE ALL-HEARING, THE ALL-SEEING”. (42:11)
          In the Qur’aan Allah clearly states: “FOR WE ASSUREDLY SENT AMONGST EVERY PEOPLE A PROPHET,(WITH THE COMMAND) WORSHIP ME AND AVOID FALSE GODS ” (Soorsh Al-Nahl 16:36)
          Thus, the final Prophet of Islam is reported to have said, “Anyone who says: THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND DIES HOLDING THAT (BELIEF) WILL ENTER PARADISE”. “Verily Allah will NOT FORGIVE the joining of partners with Him, but HE MAY FORGIVE (sins) LESS THAN THAT for whom so ever He wishes” Quran (Soorah An- Nisaa 4:48 and 116)
          In Chapter As-Saff (61):6, God quotes Jesus as follows: “And [remember] when Jesus, son of Mary, said: ‘O Children of Israel, I am the messenger of Allaah sent to you, confirming the Torah [which came] before me.” Quran 61:6
          There are many verses in the New Testament supporting the messengership / prophethood of Jesus(Peace be upon him). Thefollowing are only a few: In Matthew 21:11,
          the people of his time are recorded as referring to Jesus (Peace be upon him) as a prophet: “And the crowds said, ‘THIS IS THE PROPHET JESUS of Nazareth of Galilee.’ ” (Matt 21:11)
          In Mark, 6:4, it is stated that Jesus(Peace be upon him) referred to himself as a prophet: “And Jesus said to them, ‘A PROPHET IS NOT WITHOUT HONOUR, except in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.’ ”
          In the following verses, Jesus(Peace be upon him) is referred to as having been sent as a messenger is sent. In Matthew 10:40,
          Jesus was purported to have said: “He that receiveth YOU receiveth ME, and he that receiveth ME receiveth HIM THAT SENT ME.” (Matt10:40)
          “Nevertheless I (Jesus) must walk to day, and tomorrow, and the [day] following: for it cannot be that a PROPHET PERISH OUT OF JERUSALEM.” (Luke 13:33)
          “And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A PROPHET IS NOT WITHOUT HONOUR, save in his own country, and in his own house.” Matthew 13:57 also in Mark 6:4, Luke 4:24, John 4:43
          Jesus refers to himself as a Prophet, Others also called Jesus a Prophet but Never called his disciples “A group of Prophets”Jesus was called a Prophet by others: “And when he would have put him to death, he feared the multitude, because THEYCOUNTED HIM AS A PROPHET.” Matt 14:5″
          And the multitude said, This is Jesus THE PROPHET OF NAZARETH of Galilee.” Matthew 21:11
          “But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because THEY TOOK HIM FOR A PROPHET.”Matt 21:46
          “And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, WHICH WAS A PROPHETMIGHTY IN DEED and word before God and all the people:” Luke 24:19
          “The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that THOU ART A PROPHET.” John 4:19
          “Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth THAT PROPHET THAT SHOULD COME INTO THE WORLD.” John 6:14
          “Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, OF A TRUTH THIS IS THE PROPHET.” John If these statements were inaccurate, why didn’t Jesus correct them? Why didn’t he define his divinity if, that is, he truly was divine? When the woman at the well stated, “Sir, I perceive that YOU ARE A PROPHET’” (John 4:19),
          why didn’t he thank her for her lowly impression, but explain there was more to his essence than prophethood? Or was there?Jesus Christ, a mere man? Could it be? A good part of the religiously introspective world wonders, “Why not?”
          Acts 2:22 records Jesus as “Jesus of Nazareth, A MAN attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves also know.” Jesus himself is recorded as having said, “But now you seek to kill me, A MAN who has told you the truth which Iheard from God …” (John 8:40).
          Strikingly, a similar quote is found in the Holy Qur’an: “He [Jesus] said: ‘I am indeed a servant of Allah: He has given meRevelation and Made Me A Prophet’” (Quran 19:30)
          So was Jesus a“Servant Of Allah (i.e.servant of God According to the Bible, Yes. Or, at least, that is what we understand from Matthew 12:18: “BEHOLD! MY SERVANT WHOM I HAVE CHOSEN …”
          Furthermore, Acts of the Apostles traces the growth of the early church for the first thirty years following Jesus’ ministry, but nowhere in Acts did Jesus’ disciples ever call Jesus “God.” Rather, they referred to Jesus AS A MAN AND GOD’S SERVANT.
          In John 17:3, Jesus is also quoted as saying: “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, WHOM THOU HAST SENT.” (see also,John 4:34, 5:30, 7:16 &28, 11:42, 13:16, 14:24).
          “He [Jesus] said: ‘I am indeed a servant of Allah: He has given me Revelation and Made Me A Prophet’” (Quran 19:30)
          The Qur’aanic revelation not only affirms Jesus’ prophethood, but it also clearly denies Jesus’ divinity. In Chapter al-Maa’idah, (5): 75, God points out that Jesus (Peace be upon him) Ate Food, which is a human act, obviously NOT BEFITTING TO GOD. “The Messiah, Son of Mary, was no more than a messenger and MANY MESSENGERS PASSED AWAY BEFORE HIM. His mother was exceedingly truthful, and THEY BOTH ATE FOOD. See how I have made the signs clear for them, yet see how they are deluded.” (Quraan 5:75)
          There are numerous accounts in the New Testament which also deny Jesus’ divinity. For example, in Matthew 19:17, Jesus responded to one who addressed him as “O good master”, saying: “Why callest thou me good? There Is None Good BUT ONE, that is God.”(19:17)
          If he rejected being called “good”, and stated that Only God is truly good, he clearly implies that he is Not God.
          In John 14:28,Jesus was saying: “THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I.” By stating that the “Father” is greater than himself, Jesus(Peace be upon him) distinguishes himself from God. People forget this and they say that Jesus is equal to the Father. Whom Should We Believe -Jesus or the People?
          Also in John 20:17, Jesus told Mary Magdalene to tell his followers: I ascend unto MY Father and YOUR Father; and to MY God and your God.” Jesus’(Peace be upon him) reference to God as “MY Father and YOUR Father” further emphasizes the distinction between himself and God. Furthermore, by referring to God as “His God”, he left no room for anyone to intelligently claim that he was God. If the above still would not convince you that Jesus is subject to the Father, perhaps the next words of Jesus would definately prove that the One Who Sends is GREATER than the One Who Was Sent: “Jesus said; ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, A SLAVE IS NOT GREATER than his MASTER; neither One Who Is Sent Greater Than The ONE Who SENT HIM.’ ” (John 13:16) That Jesus(P) would admit that he did not come into the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and therefore Jesus is not God. Even in some of the writings of Paul, which the Church has taken to be sacred, Jesus is referred to as a “man”, distinct and different from God. In 1st Timothy, 2:5, Paul writes: “For there is ONE God, and ONE mediator between God and men, THE MAN Christ Jesus.” THE SON OF MAN is come eating and drinking and ye say, behold a gluttonous man, and a wine bibber a friend of publicans and sinners.”(luke7:34) “THE SON OF MAN be ashamed.” (luke 9:26) “Saying THE SON OF THE MAN must be delivered into the hands of sinful men.” (luke 24:7) “THE SON OF MAN shall give unto you.” (John 6:27) In Acts 2:22, Paul writes: “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, A MAN attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs which God Did Through Him in your midst, as you yourselves know…” (Acts 2:22) Jesus Says : No One Knows That Day or Hour 32″But concerning that Day or that Hour, NO ONE KNOWS, not even the Angels In Heaven, nor the Son, but ONLY THE FATHER. (Mark13:32) Chapter al-Kahf (18):110, Allaah instructs the Prophet Muhammad (e) to inform all who hear his message: “Say: ‘Indeed, I AM ONLY A MAN LIKE YOU to whom it has been revealed that YOUR GOD IS ONLY ONE GOD.’ ” (Quraan 18:110) In Chapter al-A‘raaf (7):187, Allaah also directed Prophet Muhammad (e) to acknowledge that the time of the Judgement is known only to God. “They ask you about the Final Hour: ‘When will its apointed time be?’ Say: ‘Knowledge of it is with my Lord. NONE can reveal its time besides Him.’ (Quraan 7:187) Unfortunately, those who claim divinity for Jesus(Peace be upon him), usually hold up his miracles as evidence. However, other prophets were recorded to have done the same or similar miracles in the Old Testament.There are also texts in the New Testament which confirm that Jesus did not act on his own. Jesus(Peace be upon him) is quoted in John 5:30, as saying: “I Can Of Mine Own Self Do Nothing…”. and in Luke 11:20, as saying, “But If I With The Finger Of God cast out devils, no doubt the Kingdom of God is come upon you.” Jesus referred to as Servant of God “Behold MY SERVANT whom I have chosen.” (Matt 12:18) In this passage God calls Jesus His servant) The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, GLORIFIED HIS SERVANT JESUS. (Acts 3:13) For truly in this city there were gathered together against thy Holy Servant Jesus. . . (Acts 4:27)

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            Pslam 119:160 says , The sum of thy word is truth; And every one of thy righteous ordinances endureth for ever.
            Sura 5:47 says Muslims are disobedient if they do not believe what your Allah has revealed therin the Gospel found only in the Bible. So to say Jesus was only a.prophet is to ignore the sum of what is revealed in the Bible that clearly says Jesus is God’s Son, His ONLY Son. To say any thing otherwise is being disobedient to Sura 5:47.

  6. At emman

    guy u’ve lost.u’ve been lied that jesus is god or god’s son.and those who lied to u are so clever because they added that MUHAMMAD(pbuh)is not God’prophet because he came with holy Quran and it tells every thing;that Jesus is not God or God’s son etc.so u need to be Muslim;there u’ll be a believer.Jesus was preaching in the synagogy(mosqe);when he left people started to do their own things:building churchs,writting the bible etc.Moses came with his book;Muhammad with his book and Jesus his book etc.which prophet that came with the bible?no one!so with this bible they succeded to pull lots of people cause inside there’s lot of true verses but also wrong verses which have make lost your brains ex:[jesus died on the cross because of your sins] etc.so think before it’s too late;and you won’t be the first,there were many and VIP but they’ve become muslim.thanks

    • Qur’an 5:47 “Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. If any fail to judge by what Allah has revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.”

      Qur’an 5:48 “To you [Christians] We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah has revealed.”

      Qur’an 5:49 “And this (He commands): Judge between them by what Allah has revealed and follow not their [Christian] desires, but beware of them lest they beguile you, seducing you away from any of that which Allah hath sent down to you. And if they turn you away [from being Muslims], be assured that for their crime it is Allah’s purpose to smite them. Truly most men are rebellious.”

      Narrated Ubaidullah: “Ibn ‘Abbas said, ‘Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah’s Apostle(Prophet Muhammad) is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, ‘It is from Allah,’ to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!”(Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur’an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)

      Narrated Abu Huraira: “The people of the Book used to read the Torah in Hebrew and then explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. Allah’s Apostle said (to the Muslims). ‘Do not believe the people of the Book, nor disbelieve them, but say, ‘We believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us, and whatever is revealed to you.”(Translation of SahihBukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur’an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 460)

  7. THE QURAN CLEARLY SAYS>>>>>> Surah 5:47:
    Surah 5:47 “And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.”

    If Muslims are ever going to have a clear conscience concerning what Christians believe and live in peace with God they will have to obey what the Quran clearly says in Surah 5:47 concerning what Allah has revealed therein “the Gospel.

    Do not try to avoid this any longer, and quit making war against Gods chosen people of the Gospel. We people of the Book, the Bible, the Gospel have your Allah’s blessing to believe what is written therein the Gospel and we can Judge according what is written therein the Gospel.

    Do deny this is to deny any longer. To Deny Surah 5:47 is to be defiantly disobedient to your Quran and go against what your Allah has declared to be true concerning the Gospel.

    If you want to be a liar, then speak against your own book, the Quran and your own god, Allah,

    Surah 5:47 “And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.”

    • Hi Dave,
      How are you?

      I know it is hard for you to accept that Jesus PBUH is not son of God, that he is a great prophet sent by God like any other prophets before him. Just like it is hard for me to accept what you believe in.

      You try to find all your reasoning in your Bible and I try to find mine in the Qur’an. Bible may be a true revelation from God just like Torah. But there must be a reason why God sent the latest revelation through His prophet Mohammed PBUH even though you do not believe that Qur’an is God latest revelation just like the Jews do not believe what Jesus said in the Bible.

      As a muslim, I try to lead my life according to the Qur’an teaching. Not to eat pork, not to drink alcohol, and for woman to cover their head.

      I know as a christian, you try to lead your life according to Bible teaching. I am sure you too don’t eat pork, you don’t drink alcohol and ask your woman to cover their head.

      you see we both try to convince one another about the truth of each one’s religion. But please understand I am not trying to change your belief. If you accept Islam, it is good for you. This means God guided you to the truth. If you do not accept Islam, It also does not disappoint me. It is up to God if you accept Islam or not. Not up to me.

      But please remember in the day of judgment truth will be revealed and God will question you about what you believe in. The same for me. I will also be questioned about what I believe in.

      I know you do not have a slightest doubt about what you believe in. The same for me. But, while you are still alive, you can rethink what you believe in. Is it really the truth? Is the truth you believe in contradict to logic and common sense?

      I know the real truth will only be revealed at judgement day. But let’s ask ourselves these questions:

      What if all human are born free of sin? would it be a sin to believe otherwise?
      What if Jesus is not son of God? would God punish me for believing he is son of God?
      What if Qur’an the true last revelation from God? What would be the consequences for disbelieving it?

      These questions you need to ask yourself over and over again. Same to me.

      • 2 Tim 3
        16 Every scripture is God breathed, and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for discipline which is :in righteousness:
        17 that the man of :God be complete, furnished completely unto every good work

        Jesus clearly said he is the Son of God, EVERY word in the scripture, the Bible, is God breathed. Below is your undeniable proof, Bible Numerics.

        The Quran will never stand up to this mathematical model scrutiny. The present Quran was written or compiled “by a committee commissioned by the 3rd Caliph Uthman, many, many years after the death of Muhammad”, not written by your prophet Muhammad or your god Allah.

        The Bible is God breathed.

        Introduction to Bible Numerics – by Dr. Keith L. Brooks

        One of the most remarkable occurrences in our time is God’s preparation of one individual to produce positive evidence that would completely undermine all Biblical criticism and bring atheism toppling to the ground wherever honest, thinking men will face the facts.

        More startling still is the fact that this individual was a converted Russian Nihilist, a Harvard scholar, and a mathematician. At the very time when organized atheism was laying its plan to get control of Russia and make use of its vast resources to sow the seeds of atheism in every nation of the earth, God was preparing His Russian, Ivan Panin, to bring forth scientific evidence of the verbal and plenary inspiration of the holy Scriptures in the original languages.

        Dr. Ivan Panin, who passed away in October, 1942, after 50 years of work on Bible numerics, was not the first to discover that there was a strange mathematical structure running through the Bible. There was Browne in his Ordo Saeculoreum, and Grant in his Numbers of the Bible and Bullinger in his Numbers of the Scriptures. These all brought forth many striking examples of numeric features in the Bible.

        It remained for Dr. Panin, however, by giving his very life to the task, to find that every letter of the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts is numbered and occupies its own special place in the order of the total number of letters in the Bible, the slightest variations of orthography being all God ordained. Since every Greek and Hebrew letter carries a numerical value (letters being used for figures in these languages), every word, phrase, sentence and paragraph has a definite arithmetical sum.

        Dr. Panin devoted himself so persistently to counting letters and working out mathematical problems, that he often wore himself out physically. His works were voluminous and his discoveries seemingly without end. He was the author of a volume, Structure of the Bible and of a revision of the New Testament based upon his numeric discoveries.

        Panin’s establishing of the practically infinite series of complex systems, in the Hebrew and Greek texts, all sequences, combinations, ratios, etc., following a uniform design from Genesis to Revelation, is undoubtedly God’s answer to modern atheism and higher criticism and His vindication of the verbal and plenary God breathed inspiration of Scripture.

        The discovery settles many questions of text. It proves that the books of our present Bible, and they alone, have the required features. It settles disputes of long standing as to some portions which scholars have said should be eliminated from the Bible.

        The doctrine of the divine authority of the Scriptures has always been fully sustained by the proofs from fulfilled prophecy, from the inexhaustible depths of truth revealed, from its matchless power over the lives of men, from its indestructibility and from the testimony of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. However, some have been won to wave these lines of evidence aside as unscientific.

        Dr. Panin has submitted conclusive scientific proof that the Bible could not have been produced by the unaided human mind. This proof is found in the amazing numeric phenomena in the very structure of the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. Dr. Panin demonstrated, either that every writer of Scripture was an unparalleled literary and mathematical genius, or that he wrote as he was moved by the Holy Ghost. Prof. John C. Banks, a worthy successor of Dr. Panin, has been offering numeric evidence to the same proposition.

        Panin laid his discoveries before the readers of a New York paper, copies of which were sent to leading skeptical educators and scientists with a challenge they disprove, if
        possible, the phenomena to which he had called attention. Since that time many other learned skeptics have been confronted with the same evidence, and not one has been able to discredit it. Some challenged him to find the same mathematical structure in Hebrew and Greek classics outside of the Bible. Panin, therefore, gave much time to the examination of other writings failing to find such phenomena. No such features were found in the seven books added by the Roman Catholic Church to their Old Testament.

        Those authors in the Bible were scattered throughout various countries of the world and from widely different backgrounds. Many of them had little or no schooling. The whole Bible was written over a period of 1,500 years with a 400 year silence apart from the Apocrypha between the two testaments. Despite the handicaps the biblical books are found to be a harmonious record, each in accord with the other.

        Panin says the laws of probability are exceeded into the billions when we try and rationalize the authorship of the Bible as the work of man. He once said: “If human logic is worth anything at all we are simply driven to the conclusion that if my facts I have presented are true, man could never have done this”.
        “We must assume that a Power higher than man guided the writers in such a way, whether they knew it or not, they did it and the Great God inspired them to do it”.

        The Bible itself states clearly that it is the literal God-breathed living word of the Creator. The words “Thus saith the Lord” and “God said”occur more than 2,500 times throughout scripture.
        In 2 Timothy 3:16 it states “All scripture is given by inspiration of God.” Then in II Peter 2:20-21 it plainly states: “No prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit”.

        Let’s take the number seven as an illustration of the way the patterns work. Seven is the most prolific of the mathematical series which binds scripture together. The very first verse of the Bible “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Genesis 1:1), contains over 30 different combinations of seven.

        This verse has seven Hebrew words having a total of 28 letters 4 x 7. The numeric value of the three nouns “God”, “heaven” and “earth”totals 777. Any number in triplicate expresses complete, ultimate or total meaning.

        Also tightly sealed up with sevens are the genealogy of Jesus, the account of the virgin birth and the resurrection. Seven occurs as a number 187 times in the Bible (41 x 7), the phrase “seven-fold” occurs seven times and “seventy” occurs 56 times (7 x 8).

        In the Book of Revelation seven positively shines out: there are seven golden candlesticks, seven letters to seven churches, a book sealed with seven seals, seven angels standing before the Lord with seven trumpets, seven thunders and seven last plagues. In fact there are over 50 occurrences of the number seven in Revelation alone.

        There are 21 Old Testament writers whose names appear in the Bible (3 x 7). The numeric value of their names is divisible by seven. Of these 21, seven are named in the New Testament: Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea and Joel. The numeric values of these names is 1554 (222 x 7). David’s name is found 1134 times (162 x 7).

        God’s seal also pervades creation as though it were woven into the very fabric of nature.

        The Bible has declared man’s years to be three score and ten (70). The development of the human embryo is in exact periods of sevens or 28 days (4 x 7). Medical science tells us the human body is renewed cell for cell every seven years.

        We’re told the pulse beats slower every seven days as if it were in accord with the seventh day of rest proclaimed in the Genesis creation week. And God formed man of the dust of the ground (Gen 2:7); science confirms the human body is made of the same 14 elements (2 x 7) found in your average handful of dust.

        The light of the sun is made up of seven distinct colours as shown in the rainbow. In music there are seven distinct notes which climax in a chord or octave at the beginning of a new seven.

        In almost all animals the incubation or pregnancy period is divisible by seven. Seven is often referred to as “God’s seal” or the number of spiritual perfection.

        Eight is the number of new life or “resurrection.” It is the personal number of Jesus. When we add together the letter values of the name Jesus in the Greek we get 888. Jesus was called The Christ, the numeric value of this title is 1480 (185 x 8). He was Savior which has the value 1408 (2 x 8 x 88).

        Jesus is also Lord which again is a multiple of eight being 800 (100 x 8). Messiah has the numeric value 656 (82 x8). Jesus also called himself the Son of man. The term occurs 88 times and is valued at 2960 (370 x 8).

        Jesus said “I am the truth”: the numeric value of “the truth” is 64 (8 x 8). The last book in the Bible is the Revelation of Jesus Christ which has exactly 888 Greek words. Eight persons were saved in the Ark at the great Noahic flood. God made a covenant with Abraham that every male Jewish child was to be circumcised on the eighth day of his life.

        There are eight individual cases of resurrection spoken of in the Bible apart from Jesus. Three occur in the Old Testament, three in the gospels and two in Acts. It was on the eighth day or the first day of the new week that Jesus rose from the dead. The Holy Spirit also came down from heaven on the eighth day.

        Nine is finality or completion. The first example of its use is that infinitely sealed first verse of the Bible: “In the beginning God” which in Hebrew is: Brayshith Elohim which has the numeric value of 999. The very next statement “created the heaven” is also sealed with 999.

        The number nine is endowed with a peculiar quality, it is finality in itself. Not only is it the final single number, but if you multiply it by any other number, the addition of the resulting figures will always revert back to nine (2 x 9 = 18 / 1 + 8 = 9 etc).

        There are nine basic gifts available to the Christian believer through the power of God’s Holy Spirit (I Corinthians 12:8-10). There are nine basic fruits which should be evident in the life of the believer (Galatians 5:22-23). The words “my wrath” have the numeric value 999. The word “Amen” or “verily” is valued at 99 and occurs 99 times.

        The work on the cross was completed at the ninth hour when Jesus said “It is finished.” The shedding of his blood was final. It saw an end to the old system of animal sacrifice to atone for sin. The word “blood” in this sense occurs 99 times.

        Great superstition has always surrounded the number 13 as being unlucky or dark. Perhaps there is good reason. One of the most convincing proofs of the origins of this number can be found by unravelling all the names by which Satan is known. Drakon or dragon has a value of 975 (13 x 75) and it occurs 13 times. Peirazon or tempter has a value of 1053 (13 x 81). Belial which is personification of evil has a value of 78 (13 x 6).

        Anthropoktonos or “murderer” has a value of 1820 (13 x 40). Ophis or “serpent” is 780 (13 x 60). The phrase used by the Holy Spirit Ho kaloumenos diablos kai ho Satanas or “called the Devil and Satan” is valued 2,197 (13 x 13 x 13).

        This article is in truth an oversimplification of the work of Panin and others who followed in his footsteps. Panin’s work initially involved some 40,000 pages of material on which he had written millions of small neat calculations. It involved volumes.

        He often laboured up to 18 hours a day exploring the vast numeric structure. By and large it was a thankless task. Panin said “When I first made the discovery I was of course, taken off my feet—I was in the same condition as our friend Archimedes who when he solved a great mathematical problem while in the bath, rushed in to the street naked, crying ‘I have found it.’ I thought people would be delighted to embrace the new discovery, but I found human nature is always the same. So I quietly withdrew and did my work all by myself”.

        Although it would appear that his work has been largely lost from popular reading today Panin did accomplish several outstanding works. He published Structure in the Bible the Numeric Greek New Testament and the Numeric English New Testament.

        The works of Ivan Panin have been put before the experts many times. Panin once challenged nine noted rationalists and Bible critics through the medium of the New York Sun newspaper November 9, 1899. He dared them to publicly refute or give explanation for a few of his presented facts. Four made lame excuses. The rest were silent.

        Panin issued a challenge throughout leading newspapers of the world asking for a natural explanation or rebuttal of the facts. Not a single person accepted.

        • Dear Dave,

          Thank you for explaining in such detail information. I am amazed by your strong belief to your religion.

          Dave, you are telling that Qur’an was written or compiled by a committee during the 3rd Caliph Othman. That is correct. But that is just a few years after prophet Mohammed PBUH died. The committee consisted of people who lived when the prophet was still alive. Besides, Caliph Othman effort was more on compiling it not writing it because Qur’an was already written and memorized even when the prophet was still alive. And it still memorised by many people. Even if the hard copy is gone. Qur’an still exists in the head of many muslims.

          You were saying that the whole Bible was written over a period of 1,500 years which means that they finished writing the Bible about 500 years ago or around the year 1500 AD? which means they are still writing the Bible when Qur’an was finished being written. wow. it was already so long after Jesus PBUH died.

          Dave, sorry to say but you criticized Qur’an for being written or compiled a few year after Mohammed PBUH died, but you closed your eyes to Bible that was completed for a period of 1500 years after Jesus PBUH died and written by many writers. I wonder how far away is the inaccuracy to the original teaching of Jesus PBUH.

          You were saying that these writers were inspired by God.

          Dave, I know you believe so much with your Bible like I believe so much with my Qur’an. But please try to open your heart and mind to the truth.

          Dave, you were saying that these writers were inspired by God. But what kind of people who inspired by God dares wiriting something like these.

          Please see Genesis 19:30-38. Genesis 9:20-27

          Lot PBUH as well as Noah PBUH in Qur’an were honorable prophets sent by Allah SWT . We admired all prophet including Lot and Noah as free from sin as he was guarded by God of from doing bad things.

          The bible even said bad things about Jesus PBUH.
          Please see Samuel 15:2-4. Numbers 31:17. Numbers 31:35-40. Revelation 2:22-23.

          You present me with such complicated numerical facts of bible. Please Dave, would you accept something is true because of its numerical miracles or because of the content?

          I am not going to present you miracle numerical facts in Qur’an because I don’t want you to be distracted to our effort to find the truth.

          So, Dave, if you think these Bible writers were inspired by God. Think again.

          I hope you are not angry with me for quoting from your Bible. For us, we believe in the original Bible that was given to Jesus PBUH. Not to the one written for 1500 years.

          And thank you for having a discussion with me.

          By the way, I have bible downloaded in my computer and tried to read it chapter to chapter. Have tried to read Qur’an? No matter how you hate Qur’an, please try to read it. I hope God will guide you to the truth.

          Have a wonderful day.

  8. I am sorry but for me I am using logic and common sense. If God is merciful He will surely forgive Adam PBUH. If you make mistake you are accountable for your own mistake. If Adam made mistake, he is accountable for his own mistake. So, a newly born baby is pure of any sin like a white paper even if his parents are sinners. So, do we sons of Adam and Eve when we were born. As God merciful, He will not take revenge.

    God created us with the ability to use logic and common sense. So, how cannot we use logic and common sense to understand a very important subject like religion?

    I am sorry but the concept of Jesus being son of God is like the the concept of Zeus having half man son Hercules. For us, just because Mary gave birth to Jesus without any husband, this does not mean that Jesus is son of God. For us Jesus is son of Mary.

    Many messengers were sent before Jesus. We know Abraham PBUH, Noah PBUH, Moses PBUH etc. all came to teach people to worship to only 1 God. Why is it all of a sudden, after Jesus died we consider him son of God and that we have to worship Jesus and God.

    The concept of Jesus as son of God came because human need the image of God so that we can see what we worship. Just like the Jewish and Moses PBUH what to see God.

    So, God himself is telling us.

    God is One
    He is the One we depend upon
    He is not born and He does not give birth
    And nothing we know in our knowledge is like Him

    • if you want to talk about logic and reason! In regards to mysteries of faith then stop praying, stop making Salah, stop, saying Muhammad went from Mecca to Jerusalem and then to heavens to meet prophets and receive the Salah then back down to Jerusalem then back to Mecca! And he did all this on an animal no one has ever heard of! My point is be fair. If you deny Christian teachings that seem contrary to logic and reason then you must use same standard with Islam and Muhammad!! Because everything I just said about isra and miraj does not make sense and is agains logic and reason!!

  9. I wish to give Catholic Orthodox belief about Jesus. Which means it is official teaching held by true Christians for 2000 years.
    For better and easy understanding lets divide it into 3 phases:
    1. Before incarnation
    2. Incarnation
    3. After crucifixion, resurrection, ascension.
    ……
    1. Before incarnation: before the creation of material or spiritual world or beings, there was only one GOD who existed as 3 Divine Persons: the FATHER, the SON, the HOLY SPIRIT (we call this mystery as Holy “Trinity” : Tri = Three + Unity = One) Three as Divine Persons. One in Divinity, nature, substance, wisdom, power equally. Then God created the spiritual beings & world; and created material world & beings, especially human beings. Father created everything through the Son in the Holy Spirit. When human beings sinned against God and broke away from his relationship. God I.e Father, Son & Holy Spirit had a mysterious plan of salvation for mankind which is ‘Incarnation’. Accordingly follows next point
    2. Incarnation: God the Son never had any human nature or characteristics before incarnation but only Divine nature & characteristics. Now according to the Divine plan, the SON of God took upon the human nature through blessed virgin Mary. And he took upon the name Jesus which means Saviour. This incarnation = in + carno (flesh) I.e Son of God assuming human nature & characteristics of a human being. He became all things like us except sin. As God from all eternity He could never have hunger, sleep, temptation, human sufferings, etc. But when He assumed human nature and became one of us He became subject to hunger, thirst, tiredness, human sufferings, temptations, death, etc. It was not a drama of human appearance or phantom but True Incarnation as True Man but the identity of this True Man was the Eternal SON of the FATHER.
    {Note: why did the God the Son become Man? Or to put it precisely, what made the Son of God to become God-Man?
    2 important reasons: First, make atonement for sins of humanity by taking upon the Divine Justice upon Himself as the Perfect Holy Man. Remember it is not merely crucifixion that brings us salvation. Because before Jesus, there were 30,000 people crucified on the cross. Then why is it that only Jesus’s crucifixion brings us salvation? It’s because the Man offering Himself as the propitiatary sacrifice for us & on behalf of us is also the eternal Son of God. Secondly, after saving us from sin. He also wanted to give us a new & perfect example of Human life loving, merciful, like the Father & also as the model as Adam}
    3. After His Crucifixion, Resurrection & Ascension: As Jesus of Nazareth, He lived like us as one of us with limitations & truly human even praying, going to temple, being obedient to the Father in His human nature. Thus reversing the bad example of Adam. After His resurrection, Jesus completing the plan of our salvation, is now in His original glory. But the beauty is that He still lovingly retains our human nature but as glorified human nature, which human nature He wishes to bestow us for all eternity in heaven.
    Without understanding this basic & fundamental orthodox catholic doctrines Jesus; the ignorant blind ill-informed Muslims argue: your god was born as crying baby, your God was hungry sleeping tempted suffering died etc… all this ignorant useless arguments by Muslims. As if it is a great discovery by muslims by which all Christians will be converted to Islam. For your information, Christianity had already faced all these arguments in 1st century by Ebionism, 4th century by Arianism, 5th century by a branch of Nestorianism, 7th century by Islam, 12th century by catharianism, 18th century by Unitarians, 20th century by Jehovah’s witnesses etc.
    JESUS CHRIST is the SON OF GOD THE FATHER, hence He is our Lord, God, Saviour, our Brother through His incarnation. Fully God & Fully Man.

  10. Muslims do believe in One God and i never heard that muslims also consider accepting holy spirit as god. If muslims were given a change to worship other than god it would definitely be Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)..but that is not allowed so the question of considering another god besides Allah is out of question…

  11. Christianity is falsehood, the holy bible encouraged Killing of non believers : 1 Corinthians 16:22 , Leviticus 24: 13-16 , Deutronomy 17:12 & 17:2-. Sexism : Leviticus 20:10
    Slavery : 1Peter 2:18 , Leviticus 25:44-46 , Exodus 21:20-21 , Deutronomy 20:10-15. Denigration of handicapped people – Leviticus 21:17-23. cannibalism – 2Kings -6:28-29
    War – Rev 19:11 , 14 Didn’t Jesus ask you to love your enemies , read – Rev 1:7 , Matthew 24:30 , 1 Corinthians 15:24 (All Violence isn’t it ? ) .God burns two cities to death.
    in Genesis 19:24, God in the Bible kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from the sky. Then God kills Lot’s wife for looking back at her burning home.God has 42 children mauled by bears.
    in 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them. (Newer cosmetic translations say the bears “maul” the children, but the original Hebrew, baqa, means “to tear apart.”). Child sacrifice.
    in Judges 11:30-39, Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God’s favor in killing the Ammonites.

  12. Hmm…interesting debates so far.
    i ll like to ask a question though… if you have a textbook that tells you “Humans are living things” in page 1
    then in page2,it says “Humans are non living ”
    then in page 3,it says “Humans do not exist”
    will you believe in such textbook? is that text book authentic?
    Same goes for the bible…the same bible whom you are believe in has many contradictions… i saw abt 100 but i will name a few..

    Who really incited david to count the men of isreal and judah?

    “Once again,the anger of the Lord burned against the Egypt, and he caused david to harm them by taking census ” Go and count the people of isreal and judah”,the lord told him”

    ………2 samuel 24:1

    ” Satan rose up against isreal and caused david to take census of the isrealites”

    …..1 chronicles 21:5

    Is Satan also called God according to the bible? I’m confused.

    2. How many men were found in the census?

    ” jacob reported the number of people to the king. they were 800,000 men of military age in isreal and 500,000 in judah …..( 2 samuel 24:9)

    “then he returned and reported the number of people. there were 1,100,000 men in isreal and 470,000 in judah……(1 chronicles 21:5)

    so who is lying? Jacob or the bible?

    3. who did jesus appear to at first fter his resurrection ?
    (1 Corinthians 15:5) peter and later,twelve disciples
    (luke 24:12-37) Two jesus followers were walking to the church out of Jerusalem, suddenly Jesus himself came along and joined them
    ( john 20:17-18) Mary magdalene

    Did jesus split himself into three?

    4. How did judas die?

    After he threw the money into the temple, he went away and hanged himself …(matt 27:5)

    After he bought the field, he fell there and burst open with his intestine coming out….. (Acts 1:8)

    Did he hang himself by the stomach?

    5. Why is the field called Field of blood and who bought it?

    Judas bought the field with money he received and falling there,he burst open ( acts 1:18-19)

    Because the three priests bought it with the blood money ( matt 27:8)

    hmm,two buyers…..by the way,didn’t they say judas threw the money away?

    6. who carried the cross!

    “carrying the cross by himself, jesus went to the place called Skul hill…..(john 19:17)

    *A man called Samon was forced to carry the cross to the skulhill…..( matt 27:31-33)

    was the cross divided into two?

    there are many more… go n read ur bible well and see how confused the writer is….

    And about Jesus dying on the cross, it so not true .
    didn’t the bible say “For he that is hanged is accursed of God”……(Deut 21:23)
    what audacity do you christains have to call a whole blessed prophet of God, jesus,the accursed of God by saying he was hanged

    go n study the Qur’an… no contradictions… all truth!
    who is forcing yiu to become muslims…who na epp? why should we kill u bcuz u refusef Islam…. its for ur own good

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