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  1. Brilliant debate , bro Zakir great work !!

    The points and academic research which bro Zakir brought are just spot on and excellent .

    Keep it up God bless you . We want to see more like this from you.

    One more point Zakir name people are just rocking man. We had Zakir Naik now we had one more 5 star debater Zakir Hussain.

    Anybody from India or Pakistan will know about great tabla maestro Zakir Hussain , he plays tabla ( drum ) , Bro Zakir too played a beautiful tabla on James White in this debate.

  2. It was easy for White to refute Hussain’s far-fetched arguments. Hussain had to go all over the place desperately seeking for something to associate Mohammed with the Bible. He failed cos there’s nothing there.

    • There is absolutely nothing about jesus in the torah . the suffering servant was israel and everything the suffering servant experienced israel also experienced or was experiencing.

      http://religionatthemargins.com/2012/06/it-is-finished-for-richard-carriers-dying-messiah-part-2/

      ISIaiah said that the MOTHER of imanuel would call imanuel imanuel.
      matthew, the liar for jesus, SAID , ” and THEY will call him…”

      see, this is how the gospel writers were struggling to find jesus in the ot

    • Zakir had to go all over the place because James white did , Zakir did so in order to respond to him , are you blind just see the debate

      It was James who started talking about Quran and apocryphal gospels , it was James who wandered Zakir only responded to it .

      See the opening statement of Zakir how academic and spot on he was and compare it with James , see it for yourself

      • james white is a pathetic christian. he believes matthew when matthew says that saints came back to life when ur god was hanging dead off a cross (this interpretation comes from a reading which OMITS “after his rising”) when apocrypha mention that jesus beat up a child, james white thinks the STORY CAME AFTER the WRITING. they will not attempt to take the story back in time and put it in oral traditions in the 1st century, they will not attempt
        to argue that this story was known to the gospel writers, they will say it was a late INVENTION. but lets be fair, does SOMETHING which was EARLY mean that it really took place? when the jews ,according to the matthew, spread that your god was robbed, was that true? did the deciples really rob your god because the jews said so? in the same way did saints really rise and walked out because matthew said so?

    • it is true that only after christians knew about jesus did they begin to distort ot verses to fit jesus into them.

      here is proof for this

  3. Matthew lied? No he didn’t. If the mother called him Immanuel that was his name for everyone who knew him, i.e. “they” which includes his mother.

    As White quoted Acts 3 the Jewish apostles believed that Jesus was the prophet foretold in Deuteronomy; this blows Hussain’s theories to pieces :

    22For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. 24Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. 25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

    Mohammed could not have been the prophet for any number of reasons one being that he wasn’t even an Israelite.

    Tell me any lies of Matthew if you can.

    The accounts referred to in the video show that God requires sacrifice to be worshipped acceptably. Cain did not do this.

  4. “Matthew lied? No he didn’t. If the mother called him Immanuel that was his name for everyone who knew him, i.e. “they” which includes his mother.”

    “a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel.”

    the mother NAMED the child immanuel, NOT everyone. the childs name was known as immanuel because the mother was the 1st to give him that name.

    jesus on the other hand was not known as immanuel. in his life time , no one, not even his mother , called jesus immanuel.

    matthew is writing for christians like you. matthew wants the christians he is writing for call jesus immanuel.

    that is why he changes “she will call…” to “they will call…”

    it makes PERFECT sense. what mary didn’t fullfill, matthew wants u christians to fullfill LOL

    look at the way u SPIN the bs that matthew did.

    “The accounts referred to in the video show that God requires sacrifice to be worshipped acceptably”

    U R a liar. the video clearly shows that

    1) WORKS/deeds were required to look after the animal before it was offered
    2) the video shows that god is AFter quality and cain did not offer god quality but garbage from his produce. if cain had offered quality vegetables, the offering would have been acceptable. cain DID not offer the BEST of his vegetables

  5. “it makes PERFECT sense. what mary didn’t fullfill, matthew wants u christians to fullfill LOL”

    jews who knew their scriptures would know that the immanuel in isaiah is not jesus, so it is not good for matthew to write to jews , 60 years later, but it is good for matthew to write to ignorant christians. for matthew the christians were fullfilling a verse which had nothing to do with jesus.

  6. liar 4 crist

    god said 2 cain

    if thou doest well shall thou not be accepted?

    if thou doest NOT WELL SIN LIETH AT THE DOOR

    DO u see what i have CAPITALIZED? do you see how it completely obliterates christianity ?

  7. “The accounts referred to in the video show that God requires sacrifice to be worshipped acceptably”

    you worship sacrifice acceptably?

  8. “a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will CALL his NAME Immanuel.”

    23“BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH cHILD AND SHALL BEAR A sON, AND THEY SHALL CALL hIS NAME iMMANUEL,” which translated means, “gOD WITH US.” 24And Joseph awoke from his sleep and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took Mary as his wife, 25but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a son; and he CALLED his NAME jesus

    anyone spot the difference?.

  9. MSZ “the mother NAMED the child immanuel, NOT everyone. the childs name was known as immanuel because the mother was the 1st to give him that name.

    jesus on the other hand was not known as immanuel. in his life time , no one, not even his mother , called jesus immanuel.”

    The prophecy was fulfilled in the days of Ahaz. Before the child knew right and wrong the kings that threatened Judah were seen off by Assyria. The prophecy is not prophecying that Jesus would be called Immanuel but that he would be born of a virgin and his birth would fulfil the meaning of the name given to the son born during the time of Ahaz. That’s how I see it.

    So Cain and Abel is all about animal rights and good quality grain. Now who is the spin master between the two of us?

    MSZ “if thou doest well shall thou not be accepted?

    if thou doest NOT WELL SIN LIETH AT THE DOOR

    DO u see what i have CAPITALIZED? do you see how it completely obliterates christianity ?”

    No I don’t see, maybe you can explain?

    MSZ ““The accounts referred to in the video show that God requires sacrifice to be worshipped acceptably”

    you worship sacrifice acceptably?”

    I meant up to the time that Jesus offered himself.

    What about Matthew’s supposed lies?

  10. what is worse is that you have a video right in your face and u r unable to find the play button.

    it is ur old testament which says that an animal which is half dead/ill is not acceptable to yhwh. so looking after it would mean that the offering would be good quality offering. effort is required for good quality offering. if blood was the reason then an ill animal wouldn’t be a problem and why offer an expensive animal if blood was the reason? use little pigeons or something lik e that.
    cain did not offer quality produce.because as the video says . it wasn’t his best EFFORT.

    the amount of bs u can read in the

    “a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will CALL his NAME Immanuel.”

    PEOple r called many things. in ur man gods case

    blood god
    meat god
    dead god
    failure god
    but the ACTUAL name of the child was immanual , just like the actual name of abraham was abraham and cain’s was cain and noah’s was noah etc.

    where is symbolism in the verse i have quoted above?

    why would mary think that the person she gave BIRTH to was god with her? why would mary think that the person she breast fed was god with her? why would mary think that the person whos nappies she had changed was god with her?

    21When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for
    they said, “He is out of his mind.”

    we can give ur god another name. the loon god. why would jesus’ mother who thought jesus was out of his mind, think that jesus was god with us ?

    19 “The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Behold, a
    gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’

    god with us? or drunkard god with us?

    jesus was given many names in the nt, but his actual name was jesus, not immanuel. the verse in isaiah said that the childs ACTUAL name was immanuel.

    if u did not know about what matthew did to the verse in isaiah, would u assume to your self that the naming was SYMBOLIC naming?

    look @ all these name callings

    Genesis 5:28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat
    >a son:
    >29 And HE CALLED HIS NAME NOAH, saying, This same shall comfort us
    >concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which
    >Yahweh hath cursed.
    >Genesis 16:15 And Hagar bare Abram a son: and ABRAM CALLED HIS SON’S
    >NAME, which Hagar bare, ISHMAEL.
    >Genesis 19:37 And the firstborn bare a son, AND CALLED HIS NAME MOAB: the
    >same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.
    >38 And the younger, she also bare a son, AND CALLED HIS NAME BENAMMI: the
    >same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.
    >Genesis 25:25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment;
    >and they CALLED HIS NAME ESAU.
    >26 And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau’s
    >heel; and HIS NAME WAS CALLED JACOB….
    >Exodus 2:10 And the child grew, and she brought him unto Pharaoh’s
    >daughter, and he became her son. And SHE CALLED HIS NAME MOSES: and she
    >said, Because I drew him out of the water.

    Matthew 1:22

    Now all this was done

    no it wasn’t DONE

    the mother did not call jesus immanuel

    • lol. Like his hero JW which was outclassed by br Zakir, alzon are unable to deal with u.

      He clearly don’t play attention with the debate and just cheerladying for the cause of worshipping a mere man.

  11. “that he would be born of a virgin and his birth would fulfil the meaning of the name given to the son born during the time of Ahaz.”

    WHERE R U GETTING THIS from the VERSE in isaiah? mary gave birth to jesus and then she thought that the god she gave birth to was a god with her, she then linked it to a verse in isaiah which says that …and she will call his name immanuel.

    what is the connection between NAMING the son and giving birth to a god who was with her?

    where is the connection?

  12. don’t tell me what u or matthew think. tell us all WHAT ISAIAH MEANT

    here is the challenge

    where did isaiah predict that mary was going to give birth to yhwh and yhwh was a god with her/us? where did isaiah predict that the” …and she WILL CALL his name immanuel. ” meant that in the future, your god would be thought to be the definition of immanuel

    where do you get that from isaiah? lol

    • You can’t get from the messianic prophecy to the precise identity and method of the death of the Messiah without revelation from God which is what the NT is. Your challenge is irrational.

  13. alzon, don’t say that i didn’t warn u of your polythiesm on judgement day, i even bring 2 u ur unitarian christian brethren who say that matthew + luke MISSED out what u would say if u had written about jc’s biography

    • I have four gospels. I don’t build my concept of Jesus on one man’s opinion of what the content of two of them should have been. Your accusation of polytheism is absurd.

  14. the double standards of christians is just amazing. GO TO tom verenna’s BLOG and see that the gospel WRITERS used stories ABOUT MOSES not MENTIONED IN THE TORAH.

    http://tomverenna.wordpress.com/2011/11/29/the-transfiguration-and-the-inclusion-of-moses/

    ” peter said to jesus, “lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up THREE shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.” While he was still speaking, a bright cloud COVERED tHEM, and a voice from the cloud said”

    Matthew 17.1-8, posted above, is interesting for several reasons. Those familiar with the Hebrew Bible will take note that Elijah had ascended to heaven in a whirlwind previously in 2 Kings 2. But many probably don’t know about the tradition of the ascension of Moses. This is probably due to the fact that in the Hebrew Bible, Moses does not ascend, but goes off to die alone (yet somehow there are those who believe he wrote the Torah–including the part about his death). But there had been a tradition among some Jewish circles in antiquity, including those in the first century, who believed that Moses had ascended to heaven on a cloud. Josephus recounts this tradition:

    Now as soon as they came to the mountain called Abarim, he dismissed the senate; and as he was going to embrace Eleazar and Joshua, and was still discoursing with them, a cloud stood over him suddenly, and he disappeared in a certain valley, although he wrote in the holy books that he died which was done out of fear, lest they should venture to say that, because of his extraordinary virtue, he went to God (Josephus, Antiquities 4.325-26).

    And this is also recounted in the Talmud (Yoma 4a) and also in midrashic literature (Pesikta Rabbati 20:4). And the apocryphal book–of which is given a terminus a quo of the first century CE–’The Testament of Moses’ might have also contained an ascension narrative which is now lost from the sixth century Latin narrative. So it is especially interesting that both Elijah (ascended to heaven) and Moses (ascended to heaven) appear in front of Jesus in the Gospel narratives, seemingly from heaven. And then just as easily as they appear, they also vanish (presumably they ascended again, a foreshadowing event for what is to come at the end of the book): ‘When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.’.

    The author of Luke certainly knew of the narrative and even seems to have interpreted this in the same way, as he has a cloud come down and envelope Elijah and Moses and then take them away (or, rather, they vanish; Lk 9.34). The cloud is indicative of the legend of the ascension of Moses (and also of Enoch, as in 1 Enoch 39.3 when he is taken up on a cloud into the heaven; cf. Rev. 11.12) and also is for Jesus in Acts 1.9, when he ascends to heaven on a cloud, indicating that Luke might have used the ascension narrative of Moses (most likely taken from Josephus, since it appears likely that the author of Luke had copies of Josephus’ works) as a basis for his ascension narrative of Jesus. But this is not the last we see of Moses and Elijah in Luke. One has to wonder if Moses and Elijah are the two men in dazzling apparel who meet the women at the tomb in Lk 24.4. It would make sense; after all, they were ascended at Jesus’ transfiguration as a foreshadowing and then return again to show that Jesus has done what they have done.

    What makes this all so fascinating to me is that the ascension of Moses is not canonical, that is to say, it is not a part of the Hebrew Bible or the Old Testament. This ascension narrative is completely apocryphal according to modern religious doctrine.

    “dr” james white, why the double standards?

    1) “dr” where in the apocryphal gospels does the talking baby defend his mother? was he even a baby?
    2) the gospels r in greek, how is one to COMPARE the oral traditions in aramaic when the oral traditions and their variants WERE not preserved in aramaic /hebrew?
    3) john said that jesus did MANY things which were not recorded. is it not possible that stories have AN earlier version to them and the earlier version may go back to the first century?
    4) u believe all the claims in your gospels about jesus having mary m use her hair to rub cream into his feet and u believe that jesus walked on water and flew like superman in to the heavens , but you don’t like what the qur’aan says because u cannot find any 1st century EVIDENCE for the claim that jesus defended his mother?
    5) u r a hypocrite white. u can’t FIND 1 EVIDENCE that the jews PAID ROMANS to spread the story that the deciples robbed jesus’ body. you have no evidence outside of the gospels and u have no evidence that the jews even gave a s hit about jesus’ dead , battered and useless body. they did their job and FINNISHED off a guy who claimed to be a messiah, what use would his dead body be? LOL
    no one, not mary, not the deciples and especially not the romans believed that jesus was going to come back to life, why would those who had him terminated?
    you cannot prove that the jews would swallow the romans claims that the angel came down and zapped them to the ground. u have no evidence for any of these claims , but because u think these stories belong to the 1st century, you are alright with it.

  15. matthew has fiction in his gospel. why would the jews pay the romans to tell a bs about jesus’ body? why didn’t they put their thinking caps on, buy another corpse and place it in the tomb? what is the business in spreading the story of stolen body when 1 month later christians r spreading ressurected body? jewish police in the gospels r always monitoring jesus, but when he is dead they don’t request the body they believe the claims of pagan roman guards that an angel floored them? james white believes everything matthew created for his christian audience, he doesn’t doubt it one bit. jews believed the guards , but didn’t worry that the angel might come after them? wouldn’t this be the perfect time for repentance? we know that according to the gospels that the tomb was UNGUARDED for 1 whole day. we know that the guards could have offered the following escuse

    “the deciples took his dead body before we got here”

    another escues could have been that the EARTHQUAKE caused them to leg it from the tomb, not the claim that “while we slept the deciples came and took it”

    does it make sense, the pagans got floored by an angel and that would be the perfect time to repent, but they add sin upon sin and spread lies ?

    these fictions were created very late. no one could have interviewed the actors 60 years after the death of the christian diety. no one even knows if matthew’s CLAIMS were KNOWN at the time matthew says his claims were told by the romans

    it does make sense on why you can get away with a fabricated story

    mark , the earliest gospel , has the women come to the tomb and ask who was going to role away the stone.afterwards, they enter the tomb and …

    john has mary m make 2 trips to and from the tomb and she CLINGS to the belief that jesus’ body has been stolen and that she doesn’t know where the people have placed his body

    matthew creates his story

    matthew doesn’t tell us how he knows the SECRET that the jews paid the romans

    1 month later, after the tomb incident, christians r spreading the story that they talked and walked with jesus.

    no one is going to investigate the christian claims because belief in the STOLEN body was more convincing.

    do you see how matthew could get away with his lie?

    • the story , ” and THIS story was WIDELY spread among the jews, AND IS TO THIS DAY” this means that the story , in ORAL tradition, was very convincing. i think that matthew is creating an APOLOGETIC in response to WHY the ressurection of jesus WAS NOT convincing and why people were becoming APOSTATES.

    • Your imagination has run wild on this comment. Buying a corpse lol.

      “why didn’t they put their thinking caps on, buy another corpse and place it in the tomb? ” lol

      The tomb was never unattended. There was always someone there.

      • hundreds were crucified back then . you silly christian, you believe bin ladinS BODY was DUMPED in the sea WITHOUT YOU SEEING THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY BIN LADINS BODY.
        YOU believe it because u r a christian who believes any thing. “there was always somewhere there” is a christian LIE. MARY M, 3 times RUNS BACK AND FORTH TO THE TOMB THINKING TO HERSELF THAT SOMEONE HAD STOLEN THE body of jesus. this means THERE WAS NO ONE THERE TO TELL HER WHAT had happen to the body. peter goes there and sees that the TOMB IS UNGUARDED. IT IS THE bs matthew created ABOUT GUARDS getting floored and then getting money to spread a lie that the body was stolen while they slept. the only ones to witness the tomb stone REMOVED were the guards, ACCORDING TO MATTHEW. nobody else. if they could cook up bs about them sleeping then why not claim that THE BODY was not taken?

        look , be honest , couldn’t the guards easily placed another dead body before mary m got there ?

        “the body was not taken, WE (the jews) took it and buried it. ”
        ” it was the decivers body alright, his face was marred and beyond recognition”
        “we dumped him in an unmarked spot lol” ” he is now 6 feet beneath the soil”

        who would anyone check out anything ?

        who OTHER than the deciples r @ the tomb?

      • why does a blood worshipping christian like you DEMAND THAT I show you evidence that geroge bush PAID BIN ladin 1 million dollars for 9 /11? why don’t you believe me what i say that god revealed it to me in a dream?

        when mary is found to be pregnant by josif, the god in maries stomach reveals to josif , IN A DREAM, that the god in her stomach is not begotten of man but of himself?

        would israel have bought into josifs claims that god revealed to him that he was in marys womb and impregnated her through the holy spirit who was another god with god? lol

    • you know what is funny is that the fat monkey sham shamoun likes to talk about “buring muslims” in debates. how come the dumb retarted blood/flesh/cross/meat worshippin christia forgot that his god was BURIED lol? then christians offered EMPTY THREATS and other bs about “every knee shall bow” LOL after they buried and kicked your gods a ss to pieces , writers in greek land began to offer EMPTY threats. u got to admit thought, your god WATCHED himself get floored like a bi tch .

    • it is interesting to note that jews created stories that jesus was illigitamate child/ bastard.
      what is interesting is that the gospel of matthew may help the jewish claims
      josepH FINDS out that mary is pregnant and wants to SEND HER AWAY . then later, in a dream, yhwh tells him that he impregnated mary and is now in her womb? strange? did israel by into what yhwh informed joseph in a dream? when joseph and your child god went to market for shopping, did the israelies mistaken jesus for josephs son?
      did israel have dreams that the fetus in mary’s womb was yhwh in flesh? think about it.
      joseph and mary BOTH live in the same house, but matthew informs his readers that joseph and mary did not have full marital relationship. what we want to know is what would have happened if the israelis @ that time knew about josephs dream, what would they have said?

  16. why don’t you get your facts straight before you make up your fairy tales. mary was pregnant when they were betrothed to be married. they were not married and not living together at that time. any more of your sick fantasies?

    • “18 And of Jesus Christ, the birth was thus: For his mother Mary having been betrothed to Joseph, before their coming together she was found to have conceived from the Holy
      Spirit, 19 and Joseph her husband being righteous, and not willing to make her an example, did wish privately to send her away. 20 And on his thinking of these things, lo, a messenger of the Lord in a dream appeared to him, saying, `Joseph, son of David, thou mayest not fear to receive Mary thy wife, for that which in her was begotten [is] of the Holy Spirit….22 ”

      “any more of your sick fantasies”

      i’ll ask again you pauline piece of scum . according to your belief , god had a daughter called mary and then he impregnated her and she became his mother. so god has her as a daughter and mother. god revealed to josif , in a dream, that he impregnated mary and is now in her womb, right?

      did israel buy into what joseph claimed? have u ever read lukes infancy narrative and c what luke created around jesus’ birth? now tell me, what were husband and wife telling the people in the shops when mother of your god took him for circumcision? did people think the babe was josephs ?

      did they read isaiah and say baby yhwh has arrived or did they assume that josif and mary made jesus? lol

    • it is interesting to note that your gods birth in the gospel of matthew is very “undercover” and not famous like it is in lukes version.

      but look @ this

      “Some inerrantists have attempted to argue that, while Luke explicitly calls Nazareth Mary’s hometown, he does not do so for Joseph. They then speculate, for the sake of harmonization, that Joseph lived in Bethlehem, while only Mary lived in Nazareth! Because such a situation is highly speculative, and an unlikely interpretation of Luke’s narrative, this is unable to be defended as a proper interpretation of the text. But there is also a further problem for the inerrantist who tries to separate Joseph from Mary for the purposes of his harmonization. For, according to Matthew, Joseph had already taken Mary as his wife before Jesus was born, although Joseph was not yet having sex with Mary (Matthew 1:24-25). The Jewish institution of marriage in the first century, although differing from the modern institution, at least included the man taking his wife into his house. So, according to Matthew, Joseph was living in the same house, in the same town, with Mary. And this is corroborated by Matthew’s need to say that Joseph wasn’t having sex with Mary before Jesus was born – as the common matrimonial home would have provided the opportunity for Joseph to have regular access to Mary for sexual intercourse. ”

      hmmmm interesting.

  17. alzon, be honest man, christianity stinks of horse manuere or even worse. why would god ENjoy watching himself act like drunkard ass (imagine an ass drinking alcohol) and then having mary use her hair to rub oil in his feet? why would god want to watch himself do these actions? to please himself? did he fast for 40 days to show off to himself that he can fast better than humans? does god really need to do these things to make himself happy? its all wierd crap man. who made this crap up? god gets his bum handed to him then he rewards the same bum with his OWN REWARD? what the heck is going on man? alzon, christianity is not making any sense. why did the god you worship ,have himself enter his daughters womb? you do believe that u and mary are the CHILDREN of god, right? and who entered? when god the flesh was having his bum HANDED TO him, was god the spirit + father spirit + ghost spirit LAUGHING? i heard that romans couldn’t lay a finger on the spirit of god. was your god a SLAVE OF THE flesh, alzon? it seems so because he has himself fly back LIKE superman and now he seats himself on his fathers hand and i think you believe that the ingredient of the father is the same ingredient as the son.

  18. “any more of your sick fantasies?”

    She broke the jar and poured the perfume on Jesus’ head. Some of the people there became angry and said to one another…

    “Leave her alone! Why are you bothering her? She has done a fine and beautiful thing for me.

    Then Mary took half a litre of very expensive perfume made of pure nard, poured it on Jesus’feet, and wiped them with her hair. The sweet smell of the perfume filled the whole house

    “Leave her alone! Why are you bothering her? She has done a fine and beautiful thing for me.

    why would god the spirit enjoy watching god the flesh getting OILED LOL?
    having a woman rubbing oil into my feet with her hair seems KINKY to me.
    your kinky lord said to mary that she “done a beautiful thing” for him
    i don’t get this god of yours, he leaves private parts, has his private part cut off and then has a woman doing a beautiful thing for him . he has himself watching himself doing all these actions so it makes his spirit part happy in heaven and singign hoseana.

    • We pray to Allah to bless you mansurbzero

      You proved that you are one of the hammer of Christianity against the anvil of Islam

  19. note that the unknown authours of your accounts have to keep mary’s pregnancy a secret? this could lend support to the claim that they very well knew that a DREAM will not prove that mary got impregnated the legal way.

    ” i had a dream about mary’s pregnancy, the child is from the holy ghost”

    “stop escusing your wifes crimes with lies ,joseph”

    “we found out that mary was away for about 3 months”

    “56 And Mary stayed with her about three months, and {then} returned to her home”

  20. we know that the israelites, INCLUDING jesus’ deciples, denied jesus and sold him for 3o shekels and turned crowds against him in 2 days. how would joseph having a dream prove that jesus was a god who had impregnated mary? it would be the best laugh the israelites would have had . notice again, how matthew has to keep mary “loki” and not EXPOSE her /her pregnancy . is this an indication that these liars for krist knew that their was a problem for thier virgin birth story?

    look again

    18 And of Jesus Christ, the birth was thus: For his mother Mary having been betrothed to Joseph, before their coming together she was found to have conceived from the Holy Spirit, 19 and Joseph her husband being righteous, and not willing to make her an example, did wish privately to send her away. 20 And on his thinking of these things, lo, a messenger of the Lord in a dream appeared to him, saying, `Joseph, son of David, thou mayest not fear to receive Mary thy wife, for that which in her was begotten [is] of the Holy Spirit….22 And all this hath come to pass, that it may be fulfilled that was spoken by the Lord through the prophet… And Joseph, having risen from the sleep, did as the messenger of the Lord directed him, and received his wife, 25 and did not know her till she brought forth her son — the first-born, and he called his name Jesus.

    LOOK again ,joseph thinks that mary fornicated . HOW COME he is the ONLY ONE who knew about her pregnancy? was he in the house ALONE with her? do you see how everything is in “private” “undercover”

  21. one wonders who were these DUMB ass authours of christianity

    the virgin is supposed to be carrying god in her womb and that is supposed to be a SIGN that the messiah god is coming soon

    but the virgin is MARRIED? what the…? she is MARRIED and @ the same time she has messiah god in her womb and IS IN a house, in private , keeping the sign ONLY for joseph?

    • SHES a virgin….. but she is MARRIED LOL LOL

      she is in a house and joseph has marital rights over and and can “know” her whenever he wants… but she is a virgin LOL

      LOL LOL LOL

      WHO inspired these pathetic and stupid stories

  22. Look again manofsubzero intellect:

    18Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.

    • you dumb bum, don’t you see? DID THE people in israel think that yhwh entered mary’s womb because JOSEPH HAD A DREAM about an angel speaking to him about yhwh impregnated mary and is now residing in her womb?

      • lol. mary was engaged to josif and then josif found her to be pregant and wanted to put her away privately. what did joseph do? he took her in his house and kept her as his wife and people assumed that joseph and mary produced jesus.

    • are you talking about jebus, your god in meat? did you know that dumb a ss god you worship told a gentile woman that he didn’t want to help her ILL DAUGHTER because it was not good/fair/right to CAST bread to an ill gentile LITTLE DOG. what is the DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ILL GENTILE GIRL AND AN ILL JEWISH GIRL? IT IS only after the gentile women DEMONSTRATED THAT she IS HUMAN AND THAT SHE COULD HAVE BETTER FAITH THAN the jews who would get your god destroyed by pagans did jesus SEE himself in her. jesus saw her as a dog, learned that he made a mistake and then talked about how faithful she way. i ask you, did jewish LAWS blind jesus? did he think that being slave of jewish laws made him a bad boy and holier than thou feeling? you pathetic gentile DOG accuse your god of disrespect before you open your gentile mounth

    • you have the holy spirit IN you and filling you day and night, but you still sin in thought and action. are you gay? what do you think of homsexuality? do you have shamoun as your partner? in christianity god loves fags so are you fag?

  23. HOW COME he is the ONLY ONE who knew about her pregnancy? was he in the house ALONE with her? do you see how everything is in “private” “undercover”

    B…………sssssssssssss………..hhhhhhhhhhh……………ttttttttttttttttttt.

    • why would joseph declare to people that yhwh has made his way into a womans womb LOL . why did he take her in his house and kept her their and did have have sexual relations with her till jesus’ birth? the mother of your god had the “awaited messiah” in her womb and all the people got was that joseph was the father of jesus LOL LOL

      THIS IS funny man. she was supposed to be a virgin, GOT MARRIED , and still remained a virgin and people thought joseph and the mother of your god did “nitty gritty” and produced jesus LO LOL LOL OLO

    • mary was discovered to be pregnant and this broke josephs heart because he was ENGAGED to her. joseph thought that mary did something illegal. joseph has a dream , takes the virgin in his house and lives with her. people would logically think that joseph was jesus’ daddy, right

  24. Talking about undercover operations why did your man-worshipping angel hide in a cave to give the koran? did he have something to hide? how comes only your prophet saw it? we only have his word for it. something fishy?

    • Well the authour of the Quran claims to be God Almighty and commanded all mankind to worship only one God as Abraham, Aaron, Joseph, Moses, Solomon, Jesus, Mohammed, John the babtist and all prophets of the same one God preached.

      The miracle and the acceptance of the Holy Quran is not how it was given to Mohammed in the cave, but the contents – talk about only one God to worship and correct the previous scriptures makes it beautiful and easy to accept as a divine word of God.

      We muslims and all prophets do not worship man or angel or anything except only one God.

      Find below what we muslims recite about 25 to 50 times a day depending on supplimentary prayers.

      Surah Al-Fatiha
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful (1)

      Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds, (2) The Beneficent, the Merciful. (3) Owner of the Day of Judgment, (4) Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help. (5) Show us the straight path, (6) The path of those whom Thou hast favoured. Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray. (7)

    • LIsten gentile dog, how does this save jesus? you don’t even know if he was born of a virgin. we have a big problem in the gospel accounts. HOW do DREAMS prove that god impregnated mary and then HID in her womb LOL IS THAT the best your man worshipping angel could do?
      how does a WOMAN called mary , MARRIED TO JOSEPH and STAYED in his HOUSE , prove the woman was a virgin ? look here again

      and received his wife, 25 and did not know her till she brought forth her son — the first-born, and he called his name Jesus

      and

      “So, according to Matthew, Joseph was living in the same house, in the same town, with Mary. And this is corroborated by Matthew’s need to say that Joseph wasn’t having sex with Mary before Jesus was born – as the common matrimonial home would have provided the opportunity for Joseph to have regular access to Mary for sexual intercourse”

      CAN YOU BLAME THE PEOPLE FOR THINKING THAT jesus was produced by mary and joseph? your gospels allow that interpretation

    • i am talking about the dumb as s authours of the gospels
      the girl is supposed to be a virgin yet MARRIED AND LIVING IN her husbands house and her husband can have access to mary any time he wanted. the point is how does this prove virgin birth?

      • But before the marriage took place, while she was still a virgin, she became pregnant through the power of the Holy Spirit.

        before they lived together she was discovered to be pregnant by the Holy Spirit.

        Yoseph before they would have a conjugal relation she was found pregnant from The Spirit of Holiness.

        But before they were married, Mary realized that she was pregnant by the Holy Spirit.

        interesting

    • WHY martyrs are BETTER than chessuz

      What does coward mean?

      a person who is easily FRIGHTENED or tries to avoid danger

      jesus preached turning the cheek, but when the jews picked up stones to stone him, he either hid or escaped. even in the temple he received protection from human saviours. jesus was saved from death many times

      In 4 Maccabees, likely composed between 18 and 55 c.e., we read a series of philosophical speeches from seven sons who are prepared to face torture and martyrdom at the hand of Antiochus Epiphanes (ca 167 b.c.e.). Being willing to die rather than be faithless to their religious laws they identified themselves with Isaac. For such an identification to work, of course, Isaac had to be reinterpreted as going knowingly and willingly to his death for God

      how “willingly” did jesus go to the cross for christians?

      jesus said to his deciples

      “my soul is DEEPLY troubled, even unto death” (mark 13:33)

      jesus “began to be distressed and agitated”

      what does distress mean?

      great mental or physical suffering , such as extreme anxiety, sadness, or pain , or the state of being in danger or urgent need.

      for a man god who had 100 percent god filling him he sure looked chicken than those martyrs in 4 maccabees

      what is pathetic is that this god needed the other god , BEFORE his crucifixion, to STRENGTHEN him

      he did not want his will to be done but his fAthers will to be done.

      the “willing” god in flesh was in agony

      what does agony mean?

      extreme physical or mental pain or suffering

      does this diety in flesh look like he was calm and in control and was ready to receive nailing to a wood piece?

      jesus often rebuked his own disciples, the Jews and even the people in general for their lack of faith: “You men of little faith, . . .” (Matt. 16: 8); ‘He replied, “You of little faith, why are you so afraid?” (Matt. 8: 26); “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?” (Matt. 14: 31); “He replied, “Because you have so little faith.” (Matt. 17:20); and “…will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? (Matt. 6: 30).

      how many of the martyrs in maccabees or suicide bomber or the many suffering servants of the world or martyrs in general go to their deaths like jesus? how many of them need strengthning to go to thier deaths?

      how many of them ,with a troubled soul, REPEATEDLY ASK the same thing ?

      don’t they just say “to you we belong and to you we return ” and then give up thier lives?

      jesus completely switched roles in johns account , john boy completely converts chicken hearted jesus in to ready to face death jesus.

      one would ask why Do believers pray AGAIN and again if they weren’t afraid of suffering and death? why do they NEED STRENGTHENING if there ISN’T ANY DOUBT?

      why do they need “holy spirit” to come and transform their hearts? obviously because doubt is there and jesus’ blasphemy “why have you forsaken me” CONFIRMED he DIED as FAITHLESS coward.

      people have gone to thier deaths not with DUAL nature but single nature and have BEATEN jesus’ COWARDICE . jesus became a COWARD and chicen hearted BEFORE he was CRUCIFIED, yet people who blow themselves just press a button. i say that is MORE IMPRESIVE .more GUTFUL .more willing.

      I AM not praising suicide bombing , but impressed with the GUTS to take on death.

      jesus himself says in matthew that the soul is willing but the flesh isn’t lol

      jesus’ saying is applicable on his own flesh

      jesus’ mental suffering did not prepare him 4 the physical suffering. blasphemy destroyed him and his soul when he said “why have u forsaken me”

      after his claim of being forsaken he utters a loud cry and dies.

      TELL THE TRUTH isn’t a MARTYRS OR SUICIDE bombers DEATH MORE IMPRESSIVE?

    • at your blog you have proved your true christian double standards and you are proving to the world how christlike you r . you are like your PHONY “saviour”

      you aswell as the bum sham shamoun believe

      “Furthermore, the Holy Bible also teaches that Jesus became, and forever will remain, a true human being.”

      so a “true human being” = 100% human soul/min and 100% human flesh

      so your god became what i have described above

      god in his meat/human form did DEEDS in the meat/flesh

      when muhammad does deeds in the flesh you think that the God of islam NEEDS muhammads deeds

      yet muhammad himself said that SINCERITY AND GODS grace has HIGHER RANK/STATUS THAN anything muhammad did.

      on the other hand god of the bible NEEDS his fleshly deeds to reward himself and to save humans from himself

      he creates a DUAL nature to experience flesh and then gets pleased with the deeds he done in his HUMAN nature

      god set everything up for fail so that he could get his a ss kicked and please himself and experience his laws in the meat

      as your bum friend shamoun said , god did human deeds to fix things up for himself .

      why the double standards?

      u talk about gods grace and you as well as millions of polytheists like you define it to mean that god did deeds in human nature to himself

      and grace is that his blood was spilled when his meat was ripped like virgin getting deflowered fiercly. imagine if jesus was a virgin and imagine how the romans would have deflowered him. i guess that would have been your gods grace.

    • when satan took jesus on the mountain and tried to bu… i mean tried to tempt him, how many people saw satan tak jesus for flying lessons?

      we only have jesus’ word for it something fishy?

      when joseph had a dream that your god was in a virgin , how many people had this dream?

      when jesus was chatting with pilate , how many people heard him?

      when jesus was driven into the wilderness by an angel , how many ppl saw your god getting driven ?

  25. “Jesus tells us that for him there is only one God and that is the Father.”

    YOU dumb gimp, you forgot that you are trinitarian?
    jesus was a god in meat telling himself that the father is a person and NOT COMPLETE god
    in trinity

    the son god + father god + spirit god = COMPLETE god
    jesus was telling himself that the father was a person, NOT complete god

    don’t abuse your trinity LOL

    ” In John 17 v 3 Jesus tells us that he relates to God the Father as man to God and so he can obey the laws of Moses on our behalf.”

    eh? what? god the son relates to the father god? how does the spirit god relate? does he watch the relationship between the father and son and join in or does he fill both father plus son? why would god the son + father + spirit want to watch himself do his OWN created laws? for fun? to impress himself? to give him a medal? to reward himself? did he act out his own laws to inform himself HOW HARSH his laws were ? LOL if the father + spirit + chessuz son god are all knowing then how come they DON’T know how it feels to do the laws in spirit form? why does an allknowing god need to wear meat to find out how LAWS feel? LOL

    ” If Jesus had not said that the Father is his God how would we know that he could perform obedience to him on our behalf? ”

    explain this bs . god the son called the father god his god? if he himself is a god then he is his own god right? chessuz calls father PERSON god even though his own person is god? WTF is going on here?

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