Debate: Is Hell Just? Abdullah al Andalusi vs Farhan Qureshi
Posted: January 24, 2012 Filed under: articles by Abdullah, Debates | Tags: afterlife, farhan qureshi, hell, judgment, justice 23 Comments »
Do sinners deserve to go to Hell forever? Will only one group of people be saved, and the rest damned? Should finite sins merit eternal punishment? Should God punish those who reject him? Is Hell Just? Welcome to the public debate.
Wednesday, 18th January 2012
Abrar House, 45 Crawford Place, London
Guests:
Abdullah Al Andalusi – Portuguese revert to Islam, and International speaker on Islamic thought.
Farhan Qureshi – American Ex-Qadiyani Agnostic speaker on Eastern Philosophy and Universalism.
UPDATE: 11th February 2012
From: Farhan Qureshi
To: Abdullah MDI
Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2012, 5:28
Subject: Statement for MDI
Here is my statement:
In January 2012 I had the opportunity to engage the entire Muslim Debate Initiative team which was by far a spectacular and spiritual experience for me. MDI showed me nothing but kindness and hospitality and represented their faith and tradition completely in a positive and respectful manner. Being a former Muslim I was absolutely humbled by their character and professionalism throughout my stay in London. I thank them again for their invitation and willingness to engage in debate on controversial issues. This speaks volumes in terms of their genuine faith and dedication.
Farhan Qureshi
MDI public debate – The Problem of Evil
Posted: January 8, 2012 Filed under: articles by Abdullah, Debates, MDI | Tags: abdullah al andalusi, afterlife, debate, farhan qureishi, farhan qureshi, hell, islam, justice Leave a comment »The public debate on the Problem of Evil will be debating questions on why it exists, and why God allows it’s existence in Universe. Welcome to the public debate.
Sami Zaatari – International Speaker and member of Muslim Debate Initiative.
Debates
Farhan Qureshi – American Ex-Qadiyani Agnostic speaker on Eastern Philosophy and Universalism.
Thursday, 19th January 2012, 6:30pm
Toynbee Hall, 28 Commercial Street, City of London E1 6LS
Free Admission – No registration required.
Nearest Station: Aldgate East Tube Station
MDI public debate – Is Hell Just?
Posted: January 3, 2012 Filed under: articles by Abdullah, Debates, MDI | Tags: abdullah al andalusi, afterlife, debate, farhan qureishi, hell, islam, justice 7 Comments »
Do sinners deserve to go to Hell forever? Will only one group of people be saved, and the rest damned? Should finite sins merit eternal punishment? Should God punish those who reject him? Is Hell Just? Welcome to the public debate.
Abdullah Al Andalusi – Portuguese revert to Islam, and International speaker on Islamic thought.
Debates
Farhan Qureshi – American Ex-Qadiyani Agnostic speaker on Eastern Philosophy and Universalism.
Wednesday, 18th January 2012, 6:30pm
Abrar House, 45 Crawford Place, Edgware Road, London, W1H 4LP
Free Admission – No registration required.
Nearest Station: Edgware Road / Marble Arch Tube Station
The Muslim perspective towards the British Flag
Posted: January 2, 2012 Filed under: articles by Abdullah, lectures, MDI | Tags: british, flag, islam, nationalism 1 Comment »A presentation given to the London Naval Club in Mayfair (London, UK), on the Muslim perspective towards the British Flag. It covers the Islamic view on Nationalism, symbols of national pride and more. Don’t miss the MP’s comments after my presentation!
The Flag Institute Spring Conference 2010
Date: 14th May 2010
Presentation: The Muslim perspective on the Union Flag
Speaker: Abdullah al Andalusi
Can God Become A Man? James White vs Abdullah Kunde
Posted: December 31, 2011 Filed under: Christianity, Debates, MDI 99 Comments »MDI Australia member, Abdullah Kunde debates Dr James White, of Alpha & Omega Ministries.
Debate filmed 17/09/2011 at UNSW, Sydney, Australia.
Muslim woman makes devastating refutation of those who want to ban the Burka
Posted: December 30, 2011 Filed under: articles by Abdullah, Islamophobia | Tags: burka, hijab, Islamophobia 1 Comment »Of course religious and political public debates happen in the Muslim world!
Posted: December 20, 2011 Filed under: articles by Abdullah | Tags: debate, debates, islam, muslim 6 Comments »Muslims and non-Muslims who attend debate events or watch the media, commonly hear the ignorant cliche “It’s great that we [in the West] here can have such debates”, or “It’s a shame debates don’t happen in the Muslim world” or my own personal ‘favourite’: “Well, at least we can have debates like these here - you wouldn’t get this in the Muslim world”.
But these comments only betray crass ignorance and Occidental bigotry, since anyone who bothers to actually do an internet search, can see many debates happen all over the Muslim world, both at conferences, and on TV channels. We’d like to offer the following links to debate videos which are available on the internet, as proof of the variety of interesting and topical debates occurring in the Muslim world.
It should be pointed out, that the only places where religious debates are stifled, are countries where all debate is stifled. These regimes are invariably Secular in nature, and we hope the Islamic Awakening around the Muslim world will change that state of affairs, and allow intellectual life to once again flourish as it did during the classical times of Islam.
One of the most famous institutions for debate in the Muslim world is called ‘The Doha Debates’ (website can be found here) held in Bahrain. They are famous for controversial topics and debates, including “This House believes women are superior to men ” (2010), and “This House deplores the release of the Lockerbie bomber to Libya” (2009) and “This House believes the world is better off with Wikileaks” (2011).
Particularly, the Doha Debates held a controversial debate which challenged the very government of the country it was held in: “This House has no confidence in Bahrain’s promise to reform” held on 12 December 2011 led to an end vote that resulted in a victory for the anti-government motion!
As for religious debates, there are many which occur within the Muslim world, here are some easy to find ones, to name but a few:
Interfaith Debate between Jews and Muslims
Doha, United Arab Emirates, Filmed by Al-Jazeera TV (Qatar)
Who is Jesus Christ? In the light of the Bible and the Qur’an
The University of Wollongong, Dubai, United Arab Emirates 20th February 2007
Who is God and How are We Saved?
University of Wollongong, Dubai, United Arab Emirates 2nd March 2009
How Can We Find Forgiveness from a Holy God?
University of Wollongong, Dubai, United Arab Emirates 6th March 2011
Was Jesus Crucified? (Urdu)
Lahore, Pakistan. On November 25th – 27th, 2011
Muslim Sheikh debates a Scholar of the Qadiyani religion on Palestine TV
Strange reactions after the MDI debate on Salvation in Islam and Christianity
Posted: December 17, 2011 Filed under: articles by Abdullah, Christian extremism, Christianity, Debates, Silly 4 Comments »After the debate on Salvation in Christianity and Islam on 4th December 2011, we had received many positive responses from both Muslims and Christians who attended. We would like to thank all the attendees for coming and making the event friendly, open and illuminating.
After we released the video of the event, a few online Christian forums were discussing the event. Most comments were positive, however we there were some very strange comments coming from the Facebook page of an obscure American Evangelical ‘apologist’ going by the name of Sam Shamoun. Enjoy.
Hey folks here is a debate which every serious Christian apologist needs to listen to, especially to the Muslim speaker who was a former “born again” Christian. Are we ready to answer his use of the Holy Bible to refute what we believe?
Paul Billal Williams, a false Prophet who must be put to death?
Nanna Mae If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or wonder, And the sign or the wonder comes to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other elohim, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not harken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for Yahweh your Elohim proveth you, to know whether ye love Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul. Ye shall walk after Yahweh your Elohim, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from Yahweh your Elohim
The ‘Behara Code’ – the conspiracy theory that Islam was set up by an unhappy Monk – from ‘credible sources’
Lina Coptic This is a brief story of Islam, passed down to me from many generations of christian Arabs, for I too am a christian Arab. There was a christian monk named “Behera”. he preached false information and was exiled from the church. he sought revenge and so he went to his friend Muhammad and told him that they could start their own religion, wreak havoc on the christian church, and become powerful men at the same time. and this is why you find alot of Christian teachings in the quran.
Discouraging video
Tony Tanious discouraging video….what is the apologetic response to Matthew 18:23?
If we forgive other peoples sins towards us, does it mean we will have to pay for those sins ourselves ‘out of our own pocket’? (furthermore, the parable of Matthew 18 :23 about pardoning debt, does not contain the word ‘ransom’).
Natalie Rahal I have an answer for Matthew 18 :23
It’s very simple actually.
The man was indebted to his master for a certain amount of money. But he was given pardon by his master, therefore the dept was already payed for from out of his own pocket. There WAS a ransom made. Because by definition, a ransom means for someone or something to be released by means of payment.
Paul Bilal Williams converted to Islam to gain the admiration of some Muslims??
We shouldn’t let tricksters like Paul Bilal try to fool people. Both Muslims and Christians are being fooled. I don’t even think Paul Bilal is even a true Muslim , he is just trying to make a name for himself and enjoys being showered by Muslim admirations.
If Jesus is God, why does he need to be given authority? Ronald’s three questions…
Ronald Peter Sam, for my learning, would you please comment on the following arguments that Paul raised in this debate;
1) (Mark 2:5-12) why the scripture says, the Son of man has power “ON EARTH” to forgive sins? Jesus is God, He has divine powers and he can excercise that power anywhere regardless of location may it be heaven or Earth. Why is there emphasis on Earth?
2) Using the aforementioned passage, Paul argued that Jesus was “GIVEN” the authority to forgive sins if Jesus is God than He needs not to take the authority but excercise it as His right.
I have looked in parallel Bible KJV, NJV, NIV, NLT and did not find the word GIVEN that Paul refered to. I wonder what version he read this passage from?
Actually, if Ronald kept on reading it says in Matthew 9:
‘So he [Jesus] said to the paralyzed man, “Get up, take your mat and go home.” 7 Then the man got up and went home. 8 When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe; and they praised God, who had given such authority to man.‘
It also is mentioned further on in the same gospel -
Matthew 28:18-19 (NIV)
‘Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit’
Hey guys, here is the second part of that Christ-Muslim debate. You have to hear the Muslim’s rebuttal since he brings up a lot of tough objections that Christians need to answer
Paul apparently has ‘messed up’ a lot of Christian minds…
Lina Coptic Sam can you please do a favor and make a video refuting Paul Bilal Williams ‘s statements!! he brought up many points that need to be refuted!!! and he probably messed up alot of Christian minds! CAN YOU!??
Upcoming Debate: As a Christian/Muslim, what would I like Muslims/Christians to know about my beliefs?
Posted: December 10, 2011 Filed under: Debates, MDI 1 Comment »
One of MDI’s speakers, Sami Zaatari, has been invited to speak at the University of London, SOAS (School of Oriental and African Studies) college. He will be making a joint presentation with Christian politician Alan Craig on what members of the Muslim/Christian communities should know about the other’s beliefs.
MDI are awaiting on confirmation of rooms – and will release them in due course.
If you are available to attend on Friday, please come to Russel Square station by London Underground, the university is just a 5 minute walk from there.
Speakers:
Alan Craig, Head of Christian People’s Alliance Party
Sami Zaatari, Muslim Debate Initiative
Time
Friday 09 December : 17:30 – 19:00
Location
SOAS (School of Oriental and African Studies), Thornhaugh Street Russell Square, London WC1H 0XG
Room:
TBC
TV Interview with MDI’s Abdullah al Andalusi & Sami Zaatari – What is Muslim identity?
Posted: December 5, 2011 Filed under: Dawah Leave a comment »www.messagetv.tv
19th November 2011
The TruthUnveiled program hosted by Rayaz Ahmed a brand new show discussing controversial issues. In this episode, Abdullah Al Andalusi & Sami Zaatari discuss Muslim Identity and the role that the media and government play. Do extremists like Anjem Choudary, spokesperson for the radical group Islam4UK represent the Muslim views? Or is he working on the agenda of the Anti-Islamic elements? Is Muslim identity being hijacked?
London Central Mosque Debate: Salvation in Christianity and Islam
Posted: December 4, 2011 Filed under: Christianity, Debates | Tags: christianity, debate, jesus, salvation Leave a comment »How are we saved? How does God save mankind from the consequences of their evils acts? Can we ever be forgiven? How do we obtain this forgiveness from God? Do we need the sacrifice of Jesus, or is striving in good actions with repentance enough? What faith do we need? Did Jesus teach atonement of our sins through his blood, or by faith and good actions alone?
It took place at the prestigious London Central Mosque on 4th December 2011.
Speakers:
Rev Dr Steve Latham, Director for Continuing Ministerial Development at Spurgeons College, London (a Christian Seminary)
Paul Williams, Director of Muslim Debate Initiative
In our view this was an excellent debate and again, showcased how MDI hosts, moderates and conducts its debates in a respectful and intellectually rigorous manner.
Here is Part 1 film of my debate with the pastor of the Church where Paul Williams became a born-again Evangelical Christian.
It took place at the prestigious London Central Mosque on 4th December 2011. We discussed the following questions (and a lot more!)
Part 2 records the rebuttals and the Q & A session.
MDI Debate: “Salvation in Christianity and Islam”
Posted: December 4, 2011 Filed under: Debates, MDI 8 Comments »How are we saved? How does God save mankind from the consequences of their evils acts? Can we ever be forgiven? How do we obtain this forgiveness from God? Do we need the sacrifice of Jesus, or is striving in good actions with repentance enough? What faith do we need? Did Jesus (pbuh) teach atonement of sins through his blood, or by faith and good actions alone? Come see the exciting and fascinating discussion on Salvation in Christianity and Islam between two well seasoned experts and public speakers, debating in London Central Mosque (Regents Park Mosque).
Speakers:
Rev. Dr Steve Latham, Director for Continuing Ministerial Development at Spurgeons College, London (Christian Seminary)
Paul ‘Bilal’ Williams, Director of Muslim Debate Initiative
Time
Sunday 04 December : 15:00 – 18:00
Location
The Islamic Cultural Centre and The London Central Mosque
146 Park Road,
London, United Kingdom, NW8 7RG
Room:
Regents Park Mosque Library, 1st floor
Nearest underground station: Baker Street
Is “Allah” a false god, not in the Bible? A Jew explains
Posted: November 13, 2011 Filed under: Christian extremism, Christianity, Islam | Tags: allah, bible, judaism Leave a comment »Upcoming Debate: “Incarnate God or human Prophet? A debate on the nature of Jesus”
Posted: November 11, 2011 Filed under: Debates, MDI 4 Comments »Organised by the University of Sussex Student Union and Islamic Society.
Speakers:
Michael Dantzie – Preaching Place: Final Messengers Ministries
Sami Zaatari – Muslim Debate Initiative
Atheist Richard Dawkins runs away from debating, Christian philosopher, on God
Posted: October 17, 2011 Filed under: Atheism, Silly Leave a comment »Muslim family collectively punished for connection to Man prosecuted in a UK Court
Posted: October 16, 2011 Filed under: Islamophobia Leave a comment »
I want to bring something to your attention. This is in regards to last months case in regards to Munir Farooqi who has been accused of terrorism for attempting to enlist men to go to Afghanistan to join the insurgency against foreign troops, and was given four life sentences; however his son Harris Farooqi was found not guilty in the same trial.
Regardless of any conviction, according to a source close to the family, the whole family is being collectively punished and being thrown out of their home by the Police. If this is true, we can only ask why? Who do the police want to seize the property and leave the family homeless though they are innocent of any crime? Under International law it is ILLEGAL to punish a whole family (5 adults [including the man they found not guilty] and 2 children, one being 8 months old) for the alleged crimes of another person. The source close to the family urgently requires that we all please sign the petition against this inhumanity , we only have 2 weeks to get as many signatures as we can to save the family from being made destitute.
The form can be found here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dE5fVXN3aGpRbGZDNTltR08xcVE1R0E6MQ
Atheism not a religion – but discrimination against Atheism is Religious discrimination
Posted: October 15, 2011 Filed under: Atheism 1 Comment »
Atheists claim that Atheism is not a Religion, but when Richard Dawkins is denied being allowed to give lecture at a private establishment, his organisation claims protection under ‘Religious Discrimination’ laws: “It really violates the basic principles of America, the principals of Jefferson and Madison,” said Sean Faircloth with the Richard Dawkins Foundation. “The Civil Rights Act of 1964 is probably the most revered piece of legislation in the 20th century, and it prohibits discrimination based on race or religious viewpoint. The proprietors of the Wyngate made clear their specific intent to discriminate based on religious viewpoint.”
As Atheists like to say, “If Religion were a hair colour, Atheists would be bald”. I disagree with that (but that is a different discussion); humouring that assertion, how can you have that same ‘bald man’ claiming discrimination due to hair colour?
There is just no scope for Atheists to claim protection against Discrimination between people of different religious beliefs, when they purportedly (and self-confessedly) do not possess such beliefs of which to be discriminated against in the first place.
It’s as absurd as Animal rights activists using the law of Racial discrimination to claim protection for Apes against human discrimination.
To Atheists the message must be clear: you can’t have your cake, and eat it too.

Source:
Islam and Englishness: Are they contradictory?
Posted: October 9, 2011 Filed under: lectures | Tags: english, english defence league, islam, Islamophobia Leave a comment »Title: “An English convert’s understanding of Islam and modern society”
Date: 16th March 2011
Paul WIlliams, Director of the Muslim Debate Initiative, was invited to give a lecture at Oxford by infamous controversialist modernist, Dr Taj Hargey.
Shariah : Is it the best solution for mankind?
Posted: October 9, 2011 Filed under: Dawah, Secularism 1 Comment »Topic: Is Shari’ah law the best solution for mankind?
Venue: Loughborough University, UK
Facilitated by: Loughborough University Islamic Society
Date: 1st March 2011
Gender and Identity in Islam and the West
Posted: September 17, 2011 Filed under: Islam, Women in Islam | Tags: feminism, gender, issues, women Leave a comment »Boys will be Boys
© Abdal-Hakim Murad
I have been asked to offer some comments on gender identity issues as these impact on Muslims living in post-traditional contexts in the West, and particularly as they affect people who have traded up to the Great Covenant of Islam after an upbringing in Judaism or Christianity. The usual way of doing this is by examining issues in the classical fiqh, and explaining how Islam’s discourse of equality functions globally, not on the micro-level of each fiqh ruling. That method is legitimate enough (although as we shall see the concept of ‘equality’ may raise considerable problems), but in general my experience of Muslim talk on gender is that there is too much apologetic abroad, apologetic, that is, in the sense not only of polemical defence, but also of pleas entered in mitigation. What I want to do today is to bypass this recurrent and often tiresome approach, which reveals so much about the low serotonin levels of its advocates, and suggest how as Western Muslims we can construct a language of gender which offers not a defence or mitigation of current Muslim attitudes and establishments, but a credible strategy for resolving dilemmas which the Western thinkers and commentators around us are now meticulously examining.
Let me begin, then, by trying to capture in a few words the current crisis in Western gender discourse. As good a place as any to do this is Germaine Greer’s book The Whole Woman, released in 1999 to an interesting mix of befuddled anger and encomia from the press.
This is an important book, not least because it casts itself as a dialogue with the author’s earlier, more notorious volume The Female Eunuch, published thirty years previously. Throughout, Greer, who is one of the most conscientious and compassionate of feminist writers, reflects on the ways in which the social and also scientific context of Western gender discourse has shifted over this period. In 1969, liberation seemed imminent, or at least cogently achievable. In 1999, with states and national institutions largely converted to the cause which once seemed so radical, it seems to have receded somewhere over the horizon. Hence Greer’s anger descends upon not one, but two lightning-rods: the old enemy of male gynophobia is still excoriated, but there is also a more diffuse frustration with what Greer now acknowledges is the hard-wiring of the human species itself. Most feminism in the 1960s and 1970s was ‘equality feminism’, committed to the breakdown of gender disparities as social constructs amenable to changes in education and media generalisation; feminism in the 1990s, however, was increasingly a ‘difference feminism’, rooted in the growing conviction that nature is at least as important as nurture in shaping the behavioural traits of men and women. Most politicians, educators and media barons and baronesses are still committed to the old feminist idea; however, as Greer’s book shows, the new feminism is growing and promises to take the world through another social shakedown, whose consequences for Muslim communities will be considerable.
Several factors have been at work in securing this sea-change. Perhaps the most obvious has been the sheer stubbornness of traditional patterns, which most men and women continue to find strangely satisfying. Radical feminist revolution of the old Greer school has not found a demographically significant constituency. Most women have not properly signed up to the sisterhood.
Moreover, the world which has been increasingly shaped by secular egalitarian gender discourse has not proved to be the promised land than the younger Greer had prophesied. As she now writes:
‘When the Female Eunuch was written our daughters were not cutting or starving themselves. On every side speechless women endure endless hardship, grief and pain, in a world system that creates billions of losers for every handful of winners.’ (p.3)
She goes on to suggest that the sexual liberation that accompanied the gender revolution has in most cases harmed women more than men. ‘The sexuality that has been freed’, she writes, ‘is male sexuality.’ Promiscuity harms women more than men: women continue to experience the momentous consequences of pregnancy, while the male body is unaffected. When the USS Acadia returned from the Gulf War, a tenth of her female crewmembers had already been returned to America because of pregnancy aboard what became known as the Love Boat. The number of men returned was zero.
Another consequence of the sexual revolution has been an increase in infidelity, and a consequent rise in divorce and single parenthood. Again, it is women who have shouldered most of the burden. ‘In 1971, one in twelve British families was headed by a single parent, in 1986 one in seven, and by 1992 one in five’ (p.202). Another consequence has been the pain of solitude. ‘By the year 2020 a third of all British households will be occupied by a single individual, and the majority of those individuals will be female’ (p.250). One of the most persistent legends of the sexual revolution, that ‘testing the waters’ before marriage helps to determine compatibility, seems to have been definitively refuted. ‘Some of the briefest marriages are those that follow a long period of cohabitation’ (p.255).
A further area in which women seem to have found themselves degraded rather than liberated by the new cultural climate is that of pornography. This institution, opposed by most feminists as a dehumanisation and objectification of women (Otto Preminger once called Marilyn Monroe a ‘vacuum with nipples’), has not been chastened into decline by the feminist revolution; it has swollen into a thirty billion pound a year industry, populated by armies of faceless Internet whores and robo-bimbos. As Greer remarks, ‘after thirty years of feminism there is vastly more pornography, disseminated more widely than ever before.’ Pornography blends into the fashion industry, which claims to exist for the gratification of women, but is in fact, as she records, largely controlled by men who seek to persuade women to denude or adorn themselves to add to a public spectacle created largely for men. (Many fashion designers, moreover, are homosexual, Versace only the most conspicuous example, and these men create a boylike fashion norm which forces women into patterns of diet and exercise which constitute a new form of oppression.) Cellulite, once admired in the West and in almost all traditional societies, has now become a sin. To be saved, one ‘works out’. Demi Moore pumps iron for four hours a day; but even this ordeal was not enough to save her marriage.
Greer and other feminists identify the fashion industry as a major contributor to the contemporary enslavement of women. Its leading co-conspirator is the pharmaceuticals business, which, as she says, deliberately creates a culture of obsession with physical flaws: the so called Body Dysmorphic Disorder which is currently plumping out the business accounts of doctors, psychiatrists, and, of course, the cosmetic surgeons. As Dolly Parton says, ‘It costs a lot of money to look as cheap as I do.’ The world’s resources are gobbled up to service this artificially-induced obsession with looks, fed by the culture of denudation. And perhaps the most repellent dimension is the new phenomenon of hormone replacement therapy, billed as an anti-aging panacea. The hormone involved, estrogen, is obtained from mares: in America alone 80,000 pregnant female horses are held in battery farms, confined in crates, and tied to hoses to enable their urine to be collected. The foals that are delivered are routinely slaughtered.
The consequences of the new pressures on women are already generally known, although no solutions are seriously proposed. Women, we are told by the old school of feminists, today lead richer lives. However, it is also acknowledged that these lives often seem to be sadder. ‘Since 1955 there has been a five-fold increase in depressive illness in the US. For reasons that are anything but clear women are more likely to suffer than men,’ (p.171) while ‘17 percent of British women will try to kill themselves before their twenty-fifth birthday.’ This wave of sadness that afflicts modern women, which is entirely out of keeping with the expectations of the early feminists, again has brought joy to the pharmaceuticals barons. Prozac is overwhelmingly prescribed to women. (This is the same anti-depressant drug that is routinely given to zoo animals to help them overcome their sense of futility and entrapment.)
Greer concludes her angry book with few notes of hopefulness. The strategies she demanded in the 1960s have been extensively tried and applied; but the results have been ambiguous, and sometimes catastrophic. What is clear is that there has not been a liberation of women, so much as a throwing-off of one pattern of dependence in exchange for another. The husband has become dispensable; the pharmaceutical industry, and the ever-growing army of psychiatrists and counsellors, have taken his place. Happiness seems as remote as ever.
Later in this talk I will attempt an Islamic critique of all this. But before doing so I think it would be useful to take a brief look at the science which is now providing Western social analysts with a context in which to frame an interpretation of what has gone wrong.
The most obvious area in which science has reverberations among feminists is in the differentials of physical strength which divide the sexes. In areas of life demanding physical power and agility, men continue to possess an advantage. Attempts have, of course, been made to overcome this proof of Mother Nature’s sexism through legislation. The most notorious attempt in the United Kingdom was the 1997 Ministry of Defence directive that female recruits would not be subject to the same physical tests as men. This excursion into political correctness foundered when it was discovered that the women being admitted to the army were not strong enough to perform some of the tasks required of them on completion of their training. As a result, the 1998 rules applied what were called ‘gender-free’ selection procedures to ensure that women and men faced identical tasks. The result was a massive rise in female injuries when compared with the men. Medical discharges due to overuse injuries, such as stress fractures, were calculated at 1.5% for male recruits, and at anything between 4.6% and 11.1% for females. Lt Col Ian Gemmell, an army occupational physician who compiled a report on the situation, noted that differences in women’s bone size and muscle mass lead to 33%-39% more stress on the female skeleton when compared to that of the male. The result is that although social changes have eroded the traditional moral reasons for barring women from active combat roles, the medical evidence alone compels the British army to bar women from the infantry and the Royal Armoured Corps.
The army is an unusual case, and the great majority of professions to which women seek access require no great physical ability. But the differences between the sexes are at their most profound where they are least visible. The gender revolutionaries of the 1960s, popularising and also radicalising the earlier, gentler calls for equality led by the likes of Virginia Woolf, were working with a science which was still largely unequipped to assess the subtler aspects of gender difference. Modern techniques of genetic examination, the reconstruction of genome maps, and the larger implications of the DNA discoveries made by Crick and Watson, were unimaginable when Greer first wrote. Since Marx and Weber, and also Freud, it had been assumed that gender roles were principally, perhaps even entirely, the product of social conditioning. Re-engineer that conditioning, it was thought, and in due season fifty percent of those doing all jobs, composing symphonies, and winning Nobel Prizes, would turn out to be women.
In retrospect this seems an odd assurance. The intellectual climate was, after all, thoroughly secular. There was no metaphysical or moral imperative that obliged the Western mind to conclude that the sexes were different only trivially, or, as one trendy bishop put it, simply ‘the same thing but with different fittings’. And yet so overwhelming were the egalitarian assumptions that had shaped Europe and America since at least Thomas Paine and David Hume, that everyone assumed that the sexes must be equal, in the way that the classes must be equal, or the races, or the nations.
One of the first large-scale social experiments based on the new theory of gender equality was the kibbutz scheme in Jewish-settled Palestine. This was founded in 1910 on the assumption, still eccentric in that time, that the emancipation of women can only be achieved when socialised gender roles are eliminated from the earliest stage of childhood.
The kibbutzim were collective farms in which maternal care was entirely eliminated. Instead of living with parents, children lived in special dormitories. To spare women the usual rounds of domestic drudgery, communal laundries and kitchens were provided. Both men and women were hence freed up to choose any activity or work they wished, and it was expected that both would participate equally in positions of power. To ensure the neutral socialisation of children, toys were kept in large baskets, so that boys and girls could choose their own toys, rather than have gender-stereotyped toys and games pressed upon them.
The results, after ninety years of consistent and conscientious social engineering, have been disconcerting. The children, to the anger of their supervisors, unerringly choose gender-specific toys. Three year-old boys pull guns and cars out of the baskets; the girls prefer dolls and tea-sets. Games organised by the children are competitive – among boys – and cooperative – among the girls.
In the kibbutz administration, quotas imposed to enforce female participation in leadership positions are rarely met. Dress codes which attempt to create uniformity are consistently flouted. In Israel today, the kibbutzim harbour sex-distinctions which are famous for being sharper than those observable in Israeli society at large. The experiment has not only failed, it seems to have backfired.
Most scientists and anthropologists who have documented the failure of such projects of social engineering today locate the gravitation of males and females to differing patterns of behaviour in the context of evolutionary biology. Darwinism and neo-Darwinism are of course under attack now, particularly by philosophers and physicists, rather more seriously than at any other time over the past hundred years. And as Shaykh Nuh Keller has shown, a thoroughgoing commitment to the theory of evolution is incompatible with the Qur’anic account of the origins of humanity. We believe in a common ancestry for our kind; the neo-Darwinists insist in multiple and interactive development of hominids from simian ancestors.
This does not mean, however, that all the insights of modern biology are unacceptable. Keller notes that micro-evolution, that is to say, the perpetuation and reinforcement over time of genetically successful strategies for survival, is undeniable, and is affirmed also in the hadith. The breeding of horses, for instance, presupposes principles of natural selection in which human beings can intervene. Heredity is true, as a hadith affirms. Categories such as the ‘Israelites’, or theahl al-bayt, have real significance.
What do the biologists say? The view is that biological success amounts to one factor alone: the maximal propagation of an organism’s genetic material. A powerful predator which dominates its habitat is, however outwardly imposing, a biological failure if it fails to reproduce itself at least in sufficient numbers to ensure its own perpetuation.
Biologists point out that males and females have different reproductive strategies. The burden of what biologist Robert Trivers calls ‘parental investment’ is massively higher in the case of females than of males. This has nothing to do with social conditioning: it is a genetic and biological given. The human female, for instance, makes a vast investment in a child: beginning with nine months of metabolic commitment, followed by a further period before weaning. The male’s ‘parental investment’ is enormously less.
Trivers shows that ‘the sex providing the greater parental investment will become the limiting resource.’ The sex which contributes less will then necessarily be in a social position involving competition, ‘because they can improve their reproductive success through having numerous partners in a way that members of the other sex cannot.’ Hence, for modern biologists, the genetic and hormonal basis of male competition and aggression. Competition and aggression are traits which may be found in females, but typically to a greatly reduced degree, simply because they are not traits vital to those females’ reproductive success. The aggression which is vital to male biological survival is directed primarily against other males (the vast, physiologically-demanding racks of antlers on stags, for instance); but aggression also serves to make the male more equipped for hunting. Male parental investment is hence physiological only indirectly, insofar as it is directed to providing food or defence for the young.
Biology also helps us understand why the female hormonal pattern, dominated by estrogen and oxytocin, generates strong nurturing instincts which are far less evident in the male androgens and in adrenaline, which is useful for huntsmen and warriors, but of considerably less value in the rearing of children. Simply put, mothers have a far greater investment to lose if they neglect their children. A child that dies, through lack of care resulting from insufficient hormonal guidance, represents a greater potential failure for the mother than for the father. During gestation and lactation, the mother is infertile or nearly so; whereas during the same period the father may become a father again many times over. Hence, again, the genetic programming which generates nurturing and convivial instincts in women far more than it does in men. Men have less of the ‘nurturing’ neurotransmitter oxytocin than do women. Androgens ensure that men choose mates for their youth and their apparent childbearing abilities, estrogens impel women to choose mates who are assertive and powerful, as more likely to provide the food and protection that their offspring will need.
Hence also the prevalence of polygyny in traditional societies, and the extreme rarity of polyandry. To have many wives is a genetically sensible strategy, to have many husbands is not.
The aggressive instincts fostered by the male physiology, flushed even before birth with androgens, served our ancestors tens of thousands of years ago, and a few generations of very different lifestyles have not been sufficient to bring about any substantial alteration to the male hormonal balance. This is why ninety percent of prison inmates are men, in almost every society. Psychologists have shown that around the world, murderers and the murdered are usually young, unmarried men. A further factor is that males are far more attracted to competitive forms of behaviour. As Kingsley Browne notes, ‘While competition significantly increases the motivation of men, it does not do so for women. The more competitive an academic programme is perceived by women, for example, the poorer their performance, while the correlation is reversed for men.’ Studies also show that men are more likely than women to opt for difficult tasks.
The origin of this gender differential is again to be sought in primordial patterns of survival. Aggressive, competitive males became ‘alpha males’, and maximised their chances of reproductive success. (Males have ten times more testosterone than women; and it produces aggression as well as the sex drive.) Weaker, more co-operative males were pushed to one side, and rarely if ever found a mate. Successful hunting brought status, and status brought greater opportunities for genetic transmission.
Biologists like Camilla Benbow have recently assessed the implications for modern social differentiation of our genetic inheritance. Her study shows that ‘boys are much more likely to choose careers in maths and science even though girls are fully aware of their own abilities in these areas.’ Again, the conclusion is not that women are less intelligent than men – the new biology clearly rules that out – but that they prefer to exercise it in specific fields. At Harvard, for instance, there is a seven to one male preponderance in the science faculties, and a female preponderance, or equivalence, in arts subjects. Subjects like languages and art history are consistently oversubscribed by female students. And while there is no evidence that women are less intelligent than men – and in general they show themselves much more articulate – more than seventy percent of first-class degrees at Oxford are obtained by male students.
A variety of university committees have been set up to investigate this, initially with a view to eliminating it. However the differential is very stubborn. The reason may be partly to do with socialisation, but an awareness is growing that heredity is also a factor that refuses to be ignored. The male endocrine system carries the memory of thousands of years of hunting, an activity which requires a kind of focussed attention on a single quarry to the exclusion of all else, coupled with an adrenaline rush at the finish. Such a metabolism, it is now being argued, is better equipped to cope with university-style examinations (as distinct from secondary-school styles of assessment), than the female metabolism, which has historically flourished, that is, been reproductively successful, in nurturing and co-operative tasks.
The response at universities like Harvard and Oxford has been to question the primacy of the examination system. If the competitiveness and focus of males are unfairly served by examination assessment, then alternative modes of assessment must be sought. And so we see alternative assessment procedures: continual assessment of termwork, and other schemes which enable women to work consultatively on projects and hence develop their full potential. Already the results are encouraging, and it may be that the male bias which seems to be inherent in the examination system will one day be eliminated.
This, however, raises a larger and more troubling question. The new science has established that men and women have comparable intelligence quotients, but that the nature of male and female intelligence, and the context in which it flourishes, can be quite different. Hence Capucine La Motte, another researcher, has documented how from the age of about three most children prefer to play with children of their own gender. They can accomplish their goals in their play activities more reliably in this way. Boy’s games are competitive and often aggressive; girl’s games are collaborative and involve more sophisticated forms of discourse and conceptualisation. Another child psychologist, Janet Lever, notes that 65% of boy’s games are formal games, while only 35% of games played by girls have rules. Boys, it seems, are more ‘rule-oriented’ than girls. (This is why the contemporary Muslim interpretation of shari‘a in ways which diminishhaqiqa is so often accompanied by a diminished respect for women. The sexes are only regarded with equivalent esteem when batin and zahir are spoken of with equal frequency by believers.)
A further aspect of inherited gender difference is presented in the issue of risk-taking. Primordial humanity allocated willingness to take risks differently among the sexes, not for constructed ‘social’ reasons, but for reasons of biological survival. To achieve the power and status requisite for transmitting his genetic material, the male had to take risks. In the historically very few years that have elapsed since such times, this norm does not appear to have changed. Consistently the figures show that risky activities and sports attract more men than women. Gambling, motor racing and bungee-jumping continue to be overwhelmingly male activities. Men are statistically more likely to ignore seat-belt laws. Despite the popular stereotypes of women as dangerous drivers, the great majority of lethal road accidents are the fault of men, because they indulge in hazardous and aggressive styles of driving. More than twice as many boys as girls die through playing dangerous games, and this statistic is remarkably consistent throughout the world.
The precise mechanisms in the brain which generate this behaviour are only now being understood. The mechanisms are called neurotransmitters, hundreds of different varieties of which activate emotions and bodily movements. One of the most important is serotonin, which has as one of its functions the task of informing the body to stop certain activities. When the body is tired, it generates the desire to sleep; when we have eaten enough it tells the body to stop eating; and so on. It does this by linking the limbic system (which is the kingdom of the nafs, and which generates primal impulses to attack, be sad, or make sexual advances), with the frontal cortex at the front of the brain, where our ability to assess and plan our actions is thought to be located. Studies indicate that men typically have lower serotonin levels than women, and conclude that the higher risk-taking behaviour characterising successful Formula One drivers, for instance, is likely to make that choice of career an almost entirely male preserve, whatever the amount of social engineering that feminist societies may attempt.
Universities can reduce gender disparities by adopting alternative modes of assessment, but after graduation, the real world is often less amenable. Risk-taking is a necessary ingredient of success in many, perhaps most, high-flying professions. Psychologist Elizabeth Arch has recently shown that the ‘glass ceiling’ in many professions, which supposedly excludes women from further promotion because of prejudice, may in fact have a biological foundation. Conspicuous success in business, for instance, demands the taking of risks that do not always come instinctively to women. As she says, ‘from an early age, females are more averse to social, as well as physical, risk, and tend to behave in a manner that ensures continued social inclusion;’ and this is largely innate, rather than socially constructed.
One expert who has devoted his research to the implications of neurotransmitters for gender behaviour is Marvin Zuckerman. He divides the serotonin-related human quest for sensation into four types. Firstly, there is the quest for adventure and the love of danger, which is associated with the typically low serotonin levels of the male. Secondly, the quest for experiences, whether these be musical, aesthetic or religious. Zuckerman detected no significant difference between male and female enthusiasm for this quest. Thirdly, disinhibition. The neurotransmitters of the typical male allow the comparatively swift loss of moral control over the sex drive, when compared with women. Fourthly, boredom. The male brain is more susceptible to boredom when carrying out routine and repetitive tasks.
What are the religious implications of this? There are feminists who point to these factors as evidence for the categoric moral inferiority of men. Islamically, however, they can all be understood, and addressed, in ways that again demonstrate the conformability of the fitra, as understood by Islam as a quasi-metaphysical quality, with the purely physical processes and geography of the human brain. The first of Zuckerman’s distinctions is not necessarily to the discredit of men. Courage is, after all, a Prophetic virtue; and without emotional surges the Muslim would make a poor horseman, or warrior, or risk-taking builder of an Istanbul mosque. Secondly, with regard to the category to which the lubb, the inner core of humanity, most fully relates, it is clear that scientific evidence exists for the spiritual ‘equal opportunities’ of the sexes. The Qur’an locates the source of religious faith in the lubb’s ability to experience the divine origin of God’s signs in nature. Men and women are clearly equally good at this. Likewise, faith-sustaining aesthetic achievements such as music, literature, crafts, and architecture, are likely to be no less effective for women than for men. The Qur’an itself is perceived as beautiful and true by both sexes without distinction. It is on this level, then, (and only here) that we can meaningfully speak of the equality of the sexes.
The third of Zuckerman’s categories appears to place men at a disadvantage; but in reality this applies only to the secular. In the believer, the virtue described in the Qur’an as taqwa, which is produced from the faith generated in the second category, overcomes this shortfall. The spiritual technologies of Islam allow a compensation for the serotonin lack and a proper disciplining of the darker passions which dwell in the limbic system. The actualised shari‘a is, in a sense, the victory of the frontal cortex, and allows the male to retrieve the balance which is already implicit in the female metabolism. No doubt this is why ‘women are deficient in intellect and religion’. It is not that the Creator has given them innate disadvantages in the quest for understanding and salvation, but rather that He requires men to make more effort to reach their degree of fitra.
The fourth (the quest for novelty, and the dislike of repetitive tasks) privileges women over men in the duties of the home. Insofar as modern office jobs are repetitive and tedious, women are clearly also gifted with more stamina in the workplace as well. Whether the biologists can demonstrate that men should, or are likely to, occupy fifty percent of jobs requiring attention to repetitive tasks, seems unlikely.
A further explanation of the ‘glass ceiling’ phenomenon may be located in the primordial female tendency to nurture. Consistently through the pre-modern world, women were primarily involved in care for the young, the sick, and the elderly. As the feminist writer Carol Gilligan observes, ‘women not only define themselves in a context of human relationship but also judge themselves in terms of their ability to care.’ Girls are ‘more person-oriented’, while boys tend to be more ‘object-oriented.’
Historical biology, and anthropology, can help us to understand why these key behavioural differences should exist. How they exist is also now discernable, thanks to the molecular biologists and the endocrinologists. The male and female foetuses begin life in the womb almost identical. The key difference is the XY chromosome couple which signify the male, where the female has an XX pair. The function of the Y chromosome is to trigger the release of androgens which approximately two months into pregnancy initiate the development of the male gonads. (Hence the view of many biologists that the female is in fact the basic human shape, and the male a divergence from it – the opposite of the Aristotelian view.)
These androgens, however, do more than shape the reproductive organs of the unborn child. Between the sixteenth and the twenty-eighth week of pregnancy, they also trigger fundamental divergences in the male and female brains. At this point, congenital deficiencies can produce not only forms of hermaphroditism of the kind recognised by classical fiqh, but can also affect the behaviour of the subsequent person. A well-studied example is the problem known as CAH: ‘congenital adrenal hyperplasia’. This results from an abnormal secretion of androgens in an XX foetus, that is, a child that is genetically female. The child suffering from this condition, which in its classical form may affect one in every 20,000 births, is typically born with both male and female reproductive organs; and the male ones are routinely removed by surgery. Although the females appear normal and are fertile they display very distinct behavioural patterns, because of being bathed in male hormones while still unborn. The numerous papers published on this phenomenon conclude that the CAH females may be characterised as ‘tomboys’. They are more aggressive, they like games with rules, and they are ready to take more risks than girls who have been born without this defect.
Mirroring the CAH girls are the boys who suffer from the genetic abnormality of an additional X hormone. These XXY boys are superficially normal males, but their behaviour is typically feminine, lacking competitive and risk-taking impulses, and showing a preference for play with girls in cooperative and non-aggressive games.
CAH and XXY studies are increasingly cited as evidence of the immense influence which hormones exert on gender behaviour. Further proof is now emerging from studies on women who were given hormones to overcome difficulties during pregnancy, an increasingly common practice and one which is thought to be responsible for producing an increasing number of children whose behavioural traits do not tally with their bodily gender features. Female criminals, for instance, frequently suffer from abnormally high testosterone levels, and these are often the consequence of earlier medical interventions.
I want now to move on, and deal with some of the consequences of these discoveries for our understanding, as Muslims, of the society to which we aspire, and whose guidelines are set out in revelation. Clearly, older feminist polemic against Islam on the grounds of its ‘essentialism’, its belief in the inborn nature of male and female traits, will no longer hold water. In the Muslim world itself, the new science, and the new feminism, are not yet known, and secularists, from the Turkish government to Taslima Nasreen in Bangladesh, continue to insist that gender differences, and inequalities in the workplace, can be wished away through social engineering and the inculcation of new attitudes. This was the mentality invoked by the Turkish government in preparing its 2001 gender equality legislation.
Living in the West, and being more in touch with contemporary trends in science and social theory, we can easily see how thin such polemic has become. Intelligent thinkers such as Greer are no longer demanding ‘equality’. It is not that they are demanding inequality or injustice instead: far from it. Instead, they are recognising that our awareness of the categoric difference between the sexes makes the whole concept of ‘equality’ rather too simpleminded. Men and women are neither equal nor unequal. We can no more say that men are better than women than we can say that ‘the rain is better than the earth’. To use the old language of ‘equality’ is in fact to be guilty of what the philosopher Wittgenstein called a ‘category mistake’.
Modern Muslim theologians who have assimilated the new insights insist that the demand for ‘equality’ is less helpful than the demand for opportunity and respect. Here there is clearly a congruence between Islamic discourse and the new difference feminism of Greer, Gilligan and a growing number of others.
It remains for us now briefly to sketch some of the ways in which the Shari‘a and science now vindicate each other. Equality is no more envisaged by nature than it is by the law of God; indeed, the law of God, for us, is commensurate with natural law. Since we reject ideas of the radically fallen nature of our kind, we acknowledge nature, that is the fitra, as inherently good. Christianity, wherever it followed Augustine, believed until the eighteenth century that unbaptised infants, and miscarried foetuses, would be tormented forever in hell since their unregenerate nature, stained by original sin, could only lead to damnation. Jansenists and some evangelicals still hold to this disturbing belief.
Islam is non-sacramental; or rather, we acknowledge that the remembrance of our Lord is the only sacrament necessary. And the natural order, as the Qur’an richly documents, is a world of signs which point to its source, and to ours. Hence the fitra of our kind, discernable we may say through consistent patterns maintained in homo sapiens across the globe and the generations, cannot be displeasing to Allah subhanahu wa ta‘ala.
Perhaps one of the most interesting questions which modernity poses to traditional religion has to do with divine providence amid a world which is now unimaginably more ancient than our ancestors suspected. There is no dating by numbers in the Qur’an or the Hadith, but medieval Muslims typically thought that the world was about five thousand years old. Now, whatever view we may take of Darwin, we must accept that our species is tens of thousands of years old. Recognisably human remains have been recovered, and reliably dated by radiocarbon methods, which show the antiquity of humanity – unless we are, by misunderstanding the logic of piety, to deny scientific evidence entirely. In 1997 the world’s oldest cricket bat was dug up in the county of Essex (of course). It is recognisably a bat, designed for some form of game, and is apparently 40,000 years old. Our theological question would therefore be: if Essex Man, in time out of mind, had the self-awareness and the humanity and the sophistication needed to play cricket, surely he was also a creature accountable to his Maker. In other words, the story of salvation is much, much older than we ever suspected. To claim that humanity had to wait for most of its history before learning about its source and destiny requires an intolerable interrogation of the divine justice.
Now, this antiquity of our species fits in with Islamic salvation history very elegantly. The hadith indicates that there have been 124,000 prophets. The Qur’an says, Wa-li-kulli qawmin had - ‘for every nation there has been a guide’. The existence of cricket matches in Chelmsford thirty-eight thousand years before thehijra is not a problem for us: homo religiosus existed then, just as did homo ludens, and presumably had access to a chapter of revelation which has since disappeared.
For Christianity, of course, the problem is more acute. Medieval theologians struggled with the fact that millions lived before the coming of Christ, and hence died without receiving the sacraments or accepting him as saviour. Complicated theories of post-mortem evangelisation, or of the harrowing of hell, were developed to make this challenge to the divine moral coherence less scandalous. Today, with our awareness of humanity’s antiquity, the theology is harder still: why should a loving God have waited for a million years before sending his Son to redeem humanity?
For us, as I have said, this is a non-problem. For every nation there has been a guide. And, as Surat al-Insan says, ‘Has there ever come upon man a time when he was not something remembered?’ And a necessary concomitant of this acceptance of the dramatic, splendid length of prophetic history, so commensurate with the grandeur of God and the universe, has to be that recurrent and biologically-grounded patterns of human society must be considered as in some sense normal, and hence as divinely sanctioned. Moreover, our conviction, as Muslims, that the human being has been created ‘in the best of forms’, that ‘we have ennobled the children of Adam’, makes any attempt to decry the natural endocrinology of our bodies blasphemous. We are as we have been created, and Allah, blessed is He, is the best of creators.
This is why we say, respectfully ignoring the protests of old-fashioned feminists, that men and women, in a Godfearing society, will tend towards different concerns and spheres of activity. Our aim, after all, is human happiness, not political correctness. Any attempt to impose a crudely egalitarian template on the data of the Qur’an and Sunna, and of the Sira, and the recurrent patterns of Islamic social history, will underestimate them drastically. Walaysa al-dhakaru ka’l-untha, says the Qur’an: the male is not like the female. Egalitarianism is reductionism, and diminishes the bivalence of our kind, whose fertility is apparent in many more ways than the merely reproductive.
We insist, therefore, that our revealed law, confirmed so magnificently in its assumptions by the new science, upholds the dignity and the worth of women more reliably than secularity ever can. A materialistic worldview, which measures human worth in terms of earning power and status and access to sexual plenitude, will inexorably glorify the male. For the male, conditioned by the androgens from the time he was almost invisibly small in the womb, is assertive: his metaphors are projection, conquest, single-mindedness. As the facts of science trickle down into popular culture, and as old-style equality feminism breaks down, the male is going to be magnified as never before in history. Materialistic civilisations will, in the longer term, favour and revere male traits. In the shorter term women may appear to be overtaking the men, because of the energy generated by the congratulations of modernity, and because of the reciprocal atrophy of male identity and self-regard. But in the longer term, unless the logic of Adam Smith’s capitalism is mysteriously terminated, the future belongs to the androgen.
As Muslims, we refuse such a favouritism. Inevitably, given the nature of the fitra, there must be aspects of shari‘a which favour the male in functional, material terms. Ours is a religion of absolute justice. But because we reject any identification of human worth with conspicuous functionality, or power, or status, or consumption, we are able to insist on the worth of women in a way that is not possible outside a religious context. For we have not been created for the idols worshipped in the pages of GQ or Loaded Magazine. The biological advantages of the male, which, unless one day a massive reconstructive surgery and hormonal reprogramming is carried out on every one of us, do not for us denote superiority, as they must for the secular mind when it follows its own arguments through.
The key to understanding this is supplied by our rich theology of the Ninety-nine Names of Allah. And these reveal what the biologists describe as gender dimorphism. That is to say, just as procreation bears fruit through the shaping received from androgens and estrogens, so too creation itself is bathed in androgens and estrogens. The entire cosmos is gendered; in fact, it comes into being, and attains the complexity of manifestation after the experience of undifferentiated unity, through the interaction of the divine Names, where the supreme and governing category is the polarity of Jalal and Jamal. I have attempted some further reflections on this principle of a hormonally-coded cosmos in another place. (www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/ahm/gender.htm))
The gender issue ramifies massively into every other area of religion, and far more could be written. What I have tried to do in this essay is show that an opposition to the Shari‘a is an opposition to science, inasmuch as science is currently affirming an innate distinction between the sexes, a distinction that Allahta‘ala clearly calls us to celebrate rather than to suppress. The social architecture of Islam is very different to that of the modern secular West: that should be a source of pride to us. We are permitted to speculate, however, that the disastrous social problems now overcoming the West, and westernising classes elsewhere, will combine with the new science to provide a revised definition of gender and social roles which will, in the longer term, convince our critics of the superior wisdom and compassion of the Prophetic social model.
wa-akhiru da‘wana ani’l-hamdu li’Llahi rabbi’l-alamin
FURTHER READING
- Kingsley Browne, Divided Labours: An Evolutionary View of Women at Work. London, 1998.
- Germaine Greer, The Whole Woman. London, 1999.
- Anne and Bill Moir, Why Men Don’t Iron: The New Reality of Gender Differences. London, 1998.
- N. Koertge, ‘How Feminism is now Alienating Women from Science’, Skeptical Inquirer, March/April 1995, 42-3.
- Carol Gilligan, In a Different Voice. London, 1990.
- Hoyenga, K, and Hoyenga, K, Gender-Related Differences. London, 1993.
- A. Booth, ‘Testosterone and Winning and Losing Human Competition’, Hormones and Behaviour (1989), 556-72.
- E. Maccoby, ‘Gender and Relationships’, American Psychologist (April, 1990), 513-20.
- D. Halpern, Sex Differences in Cognitive Abilities. New York, 1992.
- Nuh Keller, Evolution Theory and Islam. London, 1999.
- N. McCrum, ‘The Academic Gender Deficit at Oxford and Cambridge.’ Oxford Review of Eduation (1994), 3-26.
- Jared Diamond, Why is Sex Fun? London, 1998.
- A. Burgess, Fatherhood Reclaimed. New York, 1997.
- www.tylerforlife.com/Disorders/cah.htm
- Ian Gemmell, ‘Injuries among female army recruits’. Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine, January 2002, 23-27.
Can Liberalism Tolerate Islam?
Posted: August 27, 2011 Filed under: Islam, Secularism | Tags: liberalism islam tolerance Leave a comment »Shaikh Abdul Hakim Murad presents an interesting discussion, despite all the media hyde about ‘Islam’s intolerance’, he asks ‘Can Liberalism tolerate Islam?’.
‘Why Islam?’ An Audience with Paul Williams
Posted: August 16, 2011 Filed under: lectures, MDI | Tags: conversion, islam, lecture, paul, surrey, why, williams Leave a comment »MDI is proud to announce that our Director, Paul ‘Bilal’ Williams, has been invited by Surrey University Student Islamic Society, to present an interactive discussion on why do people choose Islam as their way of life and belief. For everyone who can make it, it will be a must-see.
‘Why Islam?’
An Audience with Paul Williams
You are cordially invited to a talk show with audience participation entitled: ‘Why Islam?’ hosted by Surrey Islamic Society. This event will be delivered during the month of Ramadan and will be followed by an evening meal (around 8pm).
…
Paul Williams is a British convert to Islam and co founder of the Muslim Debate Initiative. He comes from a Christian background and has delivered talks on “Islam and Englishness”, “Islam and Christianity” and “The Future of English Identity”. We are honoured to have Paul’s attendance and hope you will have some questions prepared for the event.
Date: Monday, 22 August 2011
Time: 6.15pm
Address: Griffiths Lecture Theatre (LTD), Lecture Theatre Block, University of Surrey, Guildford, GU2 7XH
Please visit the University of Surrey’s Islamic Society website at: www.surreyisoc.net
To find out more information from the organaisers, please contact: surreyislamicsociety@gmail.com
Ex-Muslim refutes Islamophobic propaganda on ‘Taqiyya’
Posted: August 9, 2011 Filed under: Christian extremism, Islam, Islamophobia Leave a comment »An ex-Muslim, fed up of the lies and propaganda against Muslims, has made a video explaining the concept called ‘Taqiyya’ (lying to protect physical safety) which is alleged by Islamophobes to be a blank check for Muslims to lie unreservedly to non-Muslims, and “abrogation in the Quran of the peaceful verses for the military ones”.
He condemns right-wing Christian fundamentalists for their fascist-like demonisation of Muslims using ironically lies against Islam.
N.B: The video was selected because it was its portrayal of the facts in question, from a non-Muslim source which would not have any pro-Islamic bias in discussing the issues at hand (i.e. an ex-Muslim) .
MDI does not condone the entire content of this video. This Includes the accusation that the Muslim speaker, Dr Zakir Naik is disingenous or uses ‘double speak’. The discussion on Taqiyya is essentially accurate.
CNN exposes notable anti-Islam speaker, Walid Shoebat as a fraud
Posted: July 14, 2011 Filed under: Christian extremism, Islam, The News Leave a comment »‘Ex-terrorist’ rakes in homeland security bucks
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/15/video-terror-training-fraud-part-2/
Rapid City, South Dakota (CNN) — Walid Shoebat had a blunt message for the roughly 300 South Dakota police officers and sheriff’s deputies who gathered to hear him warn about the dangers of Islamic radicalism.
Terrorism and Islam are inseparable, he tells them. All U.S. mosques should be under scrutiny.
“All Islamic organizations in America should be the No. 1 enemy. All of them,” he says.
It’s a message Shoebat is selling based on his own background as a Palestinian-American convert to conservative Christianity. Born in the West Bank, the son of an American mother, he says he was a Palestinian Liberation Organization terrorist in his youth who helped firebomb an Israeli bank in Bethlehem and spent time in an Israeli jail.
That billing helps him land speaking engagements like a May event in Rapid City — a forum put on by the state Office of Homeland Security, which paid Shoebat $5,000 for the appearance. He’s a darling on the church and university lecture circuit, with his speeches, books and video sales bringing in $500,000-plus in 2009, according to tax records.
“Being an ex-terrorist myself is to understand the mindset of a terrorist,” Shoebat told CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360.”
But CNN reporters in the United States, Israel and the Palestinian territories found no evidence that would support that biography. Neither Shoebat nor his business partner provided any proof of Shoebat’s involvement in terrorism, despite repeated requests.

Back in his hometown of Beit Sahour, outside Bethlehem, relatives say they can’t understand how Shoebat could turn so roundly on his family and his faith.
“I have never heard anything about Walid being a mujahedeen or a terrorist,” said Daood Shoebat, who says he is Walid Shoebat’s fourth cousin. “He claims this for his own personal reasons.”
CNN’s Jerusalem bureau went to great lengths trying to verify Shoebat’s story. The Tel Aviv headquarters of Bank Leumi had no record of a firebombing at its now-demolished Bethlehem branch. Israeli police had no record of the bombing, and the prison where Shoebat says he was held “for a few weeks” for inciting anti-Israel demonstrations says it has no record of him being incarcerated there either.
Shoebat says he was never charged because he was a U.S. citizen.
“I was born by an American mother,” he said. “The other conspirators in the act ended up in jail. I ended up released.”
He said his own family has vouched for his prison time. But relatives CNN spoke to described him as a “regular kid” who left home at 18, eventually becoming a computer programmer in the United States.
Shoebat, now in his 50s, says he converted to Christianity in 1993 and began spreading the word about the dangers of Islam. He has been interviewed as a terrorism expert on several television programs, including a handful of appearances on CNN and its sister network, HLN, in 2006 and 2007.
Since al Qaeda’s 2001 attacks on New York and Washington, expertise on terrorism has been in high demand. The federal Department of Homeland Security has spent nearly $40 million on counterterrorism training since 2006. The department doesn’t keep track of how much goes to speakers, nor does it advise officials on the speakers hired by states and municipalities.
Shoebat spoke at a 2010 conference in South Dakota and was so well-received that he was invited back for the May event in Rapid City, according to state officials. He warned the police and first responders gathered in the hotel conference rooms that the Lebanese Shiite Muslim militia Hezbollah had operatives working in Mexico and that drug cartels were raising money with Islamic groups. He also asserted that federal agents could have prevented the 9/11 attacks by looking for a chafed spot, called “zabibah,” that sometimes forms on the foreheads of devout Muslims.
“You need ex-terrorists who can tell you what life is like and what thinking is like of potential terrorists,” Shoebat said. “But had we looked at the zabibah only, we would have deflected a suicide action of killing 3,000 Americans.”
But Shoebat also told the group there were 17 hijackers when there were 19. And perhaps more surprising from a man who bills himself as a terror expert, Shoebat said the Transportation Security Administration could have stopped them. The TSA wasn’t created until after the 9-11 attacks.
Jim Carpenter, South Dakota’s homeland security director, said Shoebat brought “a point of view that certainly is not mainstream.”
“He brings in commentary about living and being raised as a Muslim and converting over to Christianity — gives them a different aspect of breaking the mold, so to speak,” Carpenter said. But he said Shoebat’s appearance was “a small portion” of the two-and-a-half-day conference.
“It’s not like we’re talking about setting up training and a discipline we would follow, that this is the only way and that’s the particular point of view of a Muslim or somebody of the Islamic faith. That’s not the case,” Carpenter said. “That’s his point of view.”
Carpenter said there is “no fear of threat” from Islamic terrorism in South Dakota, where the last census reports showed the state’s Muslim community made up less than one-half of 1 percent of the population. According to Rapid City’s local newspaper, about two dozen Muslims live in the city.
During Shoebat’s presentation, he criticized Muslim organizations and told audience members to be leery of Muslim doctors, engineers, students and mosques.
“Now, we aren’t saying every single mosque is potential terrorist headquarters. But if you look at certain reports by the Hudson report, 80 percent of mosques they found pamphlets and education on jihad. So they’re in the mosque, the mosque in accordance to the Muslim brotherhood is the command post and center.”
The conservative Hudson Institute said it never issued such a report and has no idea why its name was invoked.
Shoebat warned that making special accommodations for Muslim beliefs was a step toward establishing Islamic religious law. And he recounted how he wore a T-shirt that read “Profile me” on a trip to the airport and approached the screeners at the security checkpoint.
“I got tapped down, I got checked, I got all these different things,” he said. “I say it’s wonderful.”
Shoebat and business partner Keith Davies run several foundations and three websites that are all linked. Shoebat said the major group, the Forum for Middle East Understanding, includes his own Walid Shoebat Foundation.
In tax records filed by Davies, the Forum for Middle East Understanding reported 2009 earnings from speaking engagements, videos and book sales of more than $560,000. The documents are thin on specifics, and so is Shoebat.
“Basically, we are in information, and we do speaking and we do also helping Christians that are being persecuted in countries like Pakistan, and we help Christians that are suffering all throughout the Middle East,” he said. Asked how they do that, he said, “None of your business” — adding that disclosing details could endanger people he was trying to help in Islamic countries that have laws against blasphemy.
Shoebat’s name doesn’t appear on any of the paperwork. As for his own salary, he said he makes “probably what a gas station makes or a garage makes.”
“Everybody thinks I’m just raking in the dough, which is absolutely incorrect,” he said. He referred details to Davies, who offered to provide a copy of the group’s tax returns — but didn’t. When asked who served on the foundation’s board of advisers, Davies gave “Anderson Cooper 360″ the name of a former pilot, who didn’t return phone calls. But he could not name the high-ranking military officers he said were on the board.
Federal officials say they don’t know exactly how much money has gone to speakers like Shoebat. But in April, the bipartisan leaders of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee raised concerns about “vitriolic diatribes” being delivered by “self-appointed counterterrorism experts” at similar seminars.
Sen. Susan Collins, the committee’s Republican chairwoman, and Connecticut Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman asked the department to account for how much federal grant money went to state and local counterterrorism programs and what standards guided those grants. The request followed reports by the liberal Political Research Associates and the Washington Monthly that raised similar questions.
The Homeland Security Department told CNN that it has standards — and if training programs don’t meet them, “corrective action will be taken.”
“We have not and will not tolerate training programs — or any DHS-supported program — that rely on racial or ethnic profiling,” the agency said in a written statement.
Press Release: Members of UK Muslim community invite the English Defence League (EDL) to open debate
Posted: June 30, 2011 Filed under: MDI, MDI Press Release, Violent extremism 11 Comments »
On Thursday, 30 June 2011, MDI sent an official invitation to the English Defence League (EDL), to openly debate their issues and contentions against Islam and Muslims in a live public debate at a neutral venue.
Muslim Debate Initiative (MDI) is an open speech platform, that believes that respectful expression, discussion and debate is the key to promoting co-existence between communities, while maintaining a healthy intellectual environment.
Over the last two years in the UK, the effects of globalisation, the break down of the social fabric of society, individualism, foreign policy, the War of Terror, media sensationalism, extremism of every denomination, and ignorance have lead to a rise in intercommunity strife and intolerance.
Out of this milieu, organisations like the English Defence League (EDL) have arisen, driven by the belief of an impending take over of the UK, by Muslims and Shariah law. The EDL see the media as afraid and therefore, mostly quiet on Muslim expansionism, but eager to cherry pick bad examples of the EDL movement and label them as racist and fascist in an attempt to demonise them. The EDL believe the government is mostly dominated by ‘weak liberals’ who, out of ‘fear of Muslims’, suppress criticism of Islam and Muslims and kowtow to the demands of the Muslim community over the needs of others. Consequently, the EDL believe that Muslims pose a threat to the UK.
Muslims living in the UK see that Media sensationalism, government rhetoric and foreign policy has led to rise of Islamophobia and anti-Muslim hatred throughout the UK. Muslim communities believe that the media cherry picks examples of negative behaviour by a tiny minority of Muslims, and ignores the vast multitude of examples demonstrating the positive contribution of the mainstream Muslims to British society. Many Muslims believe that the British government wages war for profit, and then suppresses the resultant legitimate political dissent under the pretext of ‘preventing radicalisation and extremism’. Muslims see the emergence of the EDL as the rise of fascism and ultra-nationalism, which is not only symptomatic of political agitation by the government and sensationalist media, but also of a depressed economy.
Which of these narratives is true? EDL argue that they have not been given a fair chance to express their ideas; they also argue that Muslims wish to silence criticism of Muslims and Islam.
Therefore, in the 1,400-year Islamic tradition of open discussion, it is members of the Muslim community who are openly inviting the EDL to express their views[i] – uninterrupted, at a renowned neutral venue (the Conway Hall in central London), with an impartial moderator and an equal allotment of time for all speakers.
MDI have a proven track record of inviting controversial groups on to our platform in the past. These include fundamentalist evangelical Christians, militant Atheists, Secularist campaigners and the British National Party. Throughout, MDI has successfully ensured peaceful, fair and civilised events, and has received numerous commendations from invitees.
As Muslims, we welcome criticism and debate. If someone should hold issue with Islam or Muslims, they have a right to express their views, as long as they accept other peoples’ right to disagree with them and debate those issues. Therefore, this event will be a peaceful but unrestricted public debate in front of a multi-cultural audience, on the topic of “Muslims or the EDL: which poses a threat to the UK?” (N.B. title is provisional at this stage) between two Muslim speakers from the MDI leadership, and two representatives from the EDL leadership.
We expect that if the EDL hold to the courage of their convictions, and believe that their ideas are true and need to be communicated to the public – they will welcome such an opportunity to express them.
MDI will publish an update with the response we receive from the EDL.
The MDI Team

[i]Please note, that MDI already has allowed one EDL member Joel Titus (his real name) to give a short presentation – without interruption or harassment – at our event on 9th December 2009 (available to watch here), and another EDL member, Bill Baker was invited for a TV debate in 2010 (available to watch here).
For more information on our past events involving controversial topics and speakers, please refer here.
Debate: Jesus or Muhammed – which one is the better role model for society today?
Posted: March 3, 2011 Filed under: Christian extremism, Christianity, Dawah, Debates, Secularism 3 Comments »Topic: Jesus or Muhammed – which one is the better role model for society today?
Venue: Kingston University, London, UK
Date: 3rd March 2011
Debate: Tawheed or Trinity: What is the nature of God?
Posted: December 10, 2010 Filed under: Christianity, Debates | Tags: abdullah kunde, christianity, debate, islam, muslims, samuel green, tawheed, trinity, trinity christianity tawheed debate islam muslims abdullah kunde samuel green Leave a comment »
This event will give the primary speakers an opportunity to present on the major difference between the two largest Abrahamic faiths. The Christian doctrine of the Trinity and the Islamic fundamental of Tawheed (Indivisible Divine Unity) will be each illustrated and discussed with an opportunity for audience questions and answers at the conclusion of each speaker’s presentations.
Speakers:
Samuel Green – Works for the Australian Federation of Evangelical Students in a chaplaincy role at the University of Tasmania. He has been active in Christian apologetics for some time, in particular apologetics pertaining to Islam. He has developed a training course for Christians interested in ministering to Muslims, entitled ‘Engaging With Islam’ http://www.engaging-with-islam.info/. He has also contributed significa……ntly to the anti-Islam apologetics websites Answering Islam and Answering Muslims http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/index.htm. He has previously undertaken several formal debates against Muslims, including Abdullah Kunde and Beylal Racheha.
Abdullah Kunde – Is a medical student completing coursework at Liverpool Hospital. He is currently studying Islam in Sydney and has previously completed Hebrew, Biblical and Jewish studies at university. He has participated in several formal debates against Christians, including Dr. James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries, two of which have been broadcast worldwide on an Arab Christian satellite television channel. Abdullah Kunde is a member of the MDI platform in Australia.
Presented by: SUMSA, UWSMS, UWSMSA, MUMSA, Campbelltown MS and UTSMS
TV Debate: “Does Secularism lead to peace and prosperity?”
Posted: November 14, 2010 Filed under: Secularism Leave a comment »Show Name: The Big Questions
Time: 14th November 2010
Guests:
Abdullah al Andalusi (member of MDI)
Suran Lal (member of National Secular Society)
Debate: Women in Marriage: In the Quran and the Bible
Posted: March 5, 2010 Filed under: Christianity, Debates, Islam, MDI, Videos, Women in Islam Leave a comment »MDI proudly presents the debate “ Women & Marriage in the Quran and the Bible ”
Speakers are:
Dr Tabassum Hussain – MDI Visiting speaker from Canada, experienced apologist and speaker on Biblical criticism and Women in Islamic Law.
Beth Grove – Member of CCi (Christians Confronting Islam), public speaker and experienced apologist in Evangelical ministries.
Hosted by MDI: 5th March , 2010
Venue: WestBourne Park Baptist Church, Porchester Road, London
Session was co-moderated by Abdullah Andalusi and co-moderator from
CCi.
“Does Islam oppress women?” Debate Dr Nazreen Nawaz v Sue Mayer
Posted: February 17, 2010 Filed under: Debates, Islam, Videos, Women in Islam Leave a comment »The current debate on women’s rights has until now been predominantly shaped by its progress in the west. The treatment of women in any society has become, without doubt, a key marker in evaluating its progress. The accepted framework of the debate on women’s rights has centred on the need for ‘equality’. After a century of struggle, many had thought that the glass ceilings have been shattered and there is no impediment to progression whatever your gender. But research from The UN’s Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women, paints a damning picture of daily life for women living in the UK who continue to fight for a fairer deal in society.
This is a non-MDI event, but we felt that it was a robust and high quality discussion. We hope you enjoy it.
Speaker List:
Dr Nazreen Nawaz,
Islamic Speaker,
Freelance Writer and Author
Sue Mayer,
Feminist Speaker,
Freelance Writer and Author
Date: 17 February 2010
Venue: Queen Mary University, London







