Shaykh Hamza Yusuf talks about Lust & Desire


Three Big Problems With The Atonement

One of the core doctrines in Christianity is the notion that Jesus died for our sins. Muslims most commonly point out that this doctrine is unjust, however there are at least two other problems with this doctrine, which are not very often pointed out clearly by Muslims: 1) The Atonement Invalidates The True Concept of Forgiveness  & 2) Jesus’ Vicarious Death Causes Problems For The Trinity (which is supposedly a description of God’s Holy Nature)

Let’s try to explore how serious all three of these problems are in a little more detail.

Argument no. 1: It is Unjust, Hence Compromising God’s Holy Attribute of Justice

Both Islam in Surah 91:8 and Christianity in Romans 2:14-15 teach that human beings are naturally inspired with certain moral intuitions. We all acknowledge the universally recognized moral principle that it is criminals who deserve to be punished for their crimes and not innocents. Even if an innocent person volunteers to suffer for the crime of a criminal resulting in the criminal avoiding the penalty of the crime we still recognize that JUSTICE has not been served, despite the innocent person doing a noble act of sacrifice voluntarily.

We often hear Christians say: “God leaves no sin unpunished”? What does that even mean?

Sin is not a tangible matter nor is it a liquid that is injectable into the body. Sin is either a thought or an action. You can’t punish crime without punishing the criminal. Sin is what a sinner does and it is the sinner who deserves the punishment. God doesn’t punish murder, theft and fornication, rather He punishes murderers, thieves and fornicators. We shouldn’t be treating sin as some type of abstract thing.

If one wants to clarify “well what we mean is that all sin must be accounted for and it was accounted for in punishing Jesus”. But Jesus was innocent and sinless according to Christian theology, hence how could he be “punished”? How could an innocent person be “punished” when the very word “punished” itself denotes that one is suffering a penalty for an offense that he committed? Innocents are not “punished”, rather they are made to suffer at times, but never “punished”.

But one may reply that Jesus was treated as if he was guilty even though in reality he wasn’t.  But isn’t that precisely the problem? Jesus being treated as something that he really wasn’t is nothing more than fiction. Calling this a “fiction” is not from me, but the words of John Nevin, a 19th century Reformed theologian who is said to have been one of the best students who studied at Princeton during his time. He wrote:

The judgment of God must ever be according to truth. He cannot reckon to anyone an attribute or quality that does not belong to him in fact. He cannot declare him to be in a relation or state that is not actually his own, but the position merely of another. A simply external imputation here, the pleasure and purpose of God to place to the account of one what has been done by another, will not answer. Nor is the case helped in the least by the hypothesis of what is called a legal federal union between the parties, in the case of whom such a transfer is supposed to be made; so long as the law is thought of in the same outward way, as a mere arbitrary arrangement or constitution for the accomplishment of the end in question. The law in this view would be itself a fiction only, and not the expression of a fact. But no such fiction, whether under the name of law or without it, can lie at the ground of a judgment entertained or pronounced by God. (The Mystical Presence and Other Writings on the Eucharist, pp. 190-91 cited in by Mark Horne, Real Union or Legal Fiction).

Those worthy and deserving of punishment must be treated accordingly and those not worthy and deserving of punishment must be treated accordingly. You cannot have the penal consequences of sins if you are not guilty of those sins. Also, if Jesus wasn’t TRULY guilty of the sins he was “punished” for, then that means that the guilt of the sinners weren’t TRULY transferred to him and hence we still have guilty people not being judged the way justice demands that they should. And if Jesus is TRULY guilty of the sins that he was “punished” for, then you have a sinful savior and God resulting in the destruction of his holiness.

One may say “Bassam, don’t confuse laws that are binding upon us human beings with laws that are binding upon God, for there are no laws binding upon God” I have two responses to that. First, the idea of holding a specific person accountable and guilty for his sins and not transferring the guilt to someone innocent is in and of itself a Biblical motif. Ezekiel 18:19-20 states:

19 “Yet you say, ‘Why should not the son suffer for the iniquity of the father?’ When the son has done what is just and right, and has been careful to observe all my statutes, he shall surely live. 20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Secondly, it is true that God is not judged by laws but that doesn’t mean that He isn’t necessarily good by nature. If he wasn’t then God would be able to turn all good into evil and if He could go that far then why not simply forgive all sin and hold no one accountable? Punishing the guilty and sparing the innocent is more than just a law, it’s a moral principle.

It is also fruitless to explain the problem away by saying that some good has come out of Jesus’ alleged sacrificial death, for just because something good might come about from an unjust act that does not make the act itself just.

1 Timothy 2:5 states: “There is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus”.

The task of a mediator is usually to bring two sides together and take charge of the interests of both the offended and the offender. He doesn’t take upon himself the guilt of the offender nor the wrath and fury of the offended, for he is to be the one seeking to reconcile between both parties as a third party member. But apparently that isn’t the case in light of the atonement.

Argument no. 2: The Atonement Invalidates The True Concept of Forgiveness

What does forgiveness mean? We read the Lord’s Prayer in Matthew 6:9-15

Matthew 6:9-15

“This, then, is how you should pray:
” ‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us today our daily bread.
12Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
    13And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.[a]14For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

So according to the Lord’s Prayer we are to ask God to “forgive us” our debts as “we also forgive our debtors”. We are to forgive men their sins if we are to see the Father forgive us of our sins.

If someone owes you a thousand dollars and you wanted to “forgive this debt” that would mean that you would have to forgo the thousand dollars and absorb your losses. If Kevin owes you a thousand dollars and then you tell Kevin you don’t have to pay it anymore and that John could pay it instead, that doesn’t mean that you have truly forgiven Kevin’s debt. Kevin’s debt is still there even though it’s not Kevin paying it anymore. The only way for you to TRULY forgive Kevin’s debt is for you to absorb your losses. Similarly, the only way for God to TRULY forgive us our debt is to let go of the debt all together. Now we don’t say that God “absorbs His losses” because God is independent of all creatures and has no “losses”, but the logic is the same in that God would have to forgo the debt all together in order to TRULY forgive us our debts. However, in Christianity we don’t see that because Jesus takes the debt and pays it.

In Luke 7:36-50 Jesus gives an example of true forgiveness. Focusing on verses 41-43 he says:

41 “A certain moneylender had two debtors. One owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. 42 When they could not pay, he cancelled the debt of both. Now which of them will love him more?” 43 Simon answered, “The one, I suppose, for whom he cancelled the larger debt.” And he said to him, “You have judged rightly.”

True forgiveness is a virtuous act of letting go of a wrong without exacting any form of payment or punishment in return. But Christianity teaches that Jesus bore the punishment of sinners on the cross fully paying off the debt. In that case there is nothing to forgive. Yes, only those who accept what Jesus has done for them will receive the benefits of his alleged sacrificial death for Christianity does not teach universalism, but in REALITY their debt to God wasn’t TRULY forgiven.

Argument no. 3: Jesus’ Vicarious Death Causes Problems For The Trinity (which is supposedly a description of God’s Holy Nature)

Romans 6:23 states that the wages of sin is death. Death here referring to a spiritual death. A spiritual death (unlike a physical death which is a separation of the soul from the body) entails the soul being separate from the presence of God. as one could see in Genesis 2:17 where God said that Adam would “surely die” for eating the forbidden fruit from the Tree of Life.

Now most mainstream Christians are of the view that all the three persons in the Godhead and not only the Father required propitiation (that is they required to be satisfied from the problem of sin) because if it was only the Father then the Son and Holy Spirit wouldn’t be as Holy as the Father, which would be problematic.

Now since all three persons required propitiation and since the wages of sin is spiritual death, how exactly did Jesus propitiate himself? He is supposed to be both the subject and object of propitiation. How does one satisfy his own wrath by punishing himself? Also, if Jesus is God and he must spiritually die and become separated from God, how does he become separated from himself? Despite having two separate natures he is still one person according to orthodox and mainstream Christianity. So how did he separate from himself? It appears that Christians say that he was separated from God the Father and that would count as a spiritual death. I’ll go with that idea for the sake of argument.

John Calvin and other reformed scholars such as Charles Hodge, John MacArthur, RC Sproul, John Piper and others insist that mere corporeal death wouldn’t have been sufficient, but that Jesus during his hours on the cross must have truly been separate from God the Father and that his soul endured such trauma.

But if Jesus were truly separate from God the Father for those few hours then doesn’t that mean that there was a temporary break and disconnect in the Trinity? Didn’t that intercommunion in the Godhead temporarily stop? Isn’t that a change in God, which Malachi 3:6 says cannot happen since God does not change?

Also, doesn’t Jesus dying and suffering for us mean that he is more worthy of honor and praise than the Father who only sent him? Does the commander who sends his soldier to die in a mission that saved the lives of millions deserve and get the same level of honor as the soldier sent to die? Surely not! The one who does the dirty work is at a much higher level in terms of praise and honour than the one who sent him to do the dirty work. Surely the Son feels a bit closer to us than the Father while the Father feels a bit more transcendent than the Son? So COULD (not should, but COULD) we honestly we love the Father AS MUCH as the son? Doesn’t the atonement raise problematic concerns for God’s supposedly Holy Triune nature?

In a nutshell, we could see just how really problematic the doctrine of the Atonement really is for Christians. If you would like more, then please watch my debate last year on this topic over here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKH6tm_Gaz8.

P.S As I have publicly stated before, much thanks is due to the late Dr. Ken Pulliam, for his research on this topic assisted me very much.  


Muslim-Christian Debate in Abbasid Baghdad

I have just come across a fascinating account of Christians living in the third/ninth century Abbasid Baghdad to be found in the work of Muslim theologian Abu Uthman al-Jahiz (died 255/869) in a letter he wrote to some Muslim friends who had asked for his help against a group of Christians. He outlines for them the way in which Christians treat Muslims in debate:

‘They choose contradictory statements in our Hadiths, our reports that have weak chains of transmitters, and the equivocal verses in our Book, and they take to one side our weak and common people and ask them questions about them. Despite the ideas they have learnt from the heretics and accursed atheists, they often appear innocent before our intellectuals and people of influence. Hence they stir up trouble among the powerful, and cause deception among the weak-minded. And the pity is that each and every Muslim thinks he is an expert in religious matters, and that no one is better at arguing with heretics than anyone else!’

Quotation in Early Muslim Polemic against Christianity Abu ‘Isa al-Warraq’s “Against the Incarnation”, edited and translated by David Thomas, published by University of Cambridge Oriental Publications 59 in 2002.

David Thomas comments,

‘This depicts the Christians as completely unscrupulous in the way they confused ordinary Muslims by presenting spurious or difficult statements from Muslim scriptural sources, and confuted experts with arguments they innocently passed off as not their own. It is undoubtedly exaggerated.’ (page 7)

Exaggerated or not, the description is undoubtedly fitting of some Christians we deal with today as we well know – mentioning no names! How little has changed in over a thousand years…


God NOT subordinate to any, but Jesus is!

The New Testament of the Bible repeatedly describes Jesus as essentially subordinate to God the Father. In a Speakers’ Corner discussion, Muslim speaker Hashim argues that Jesus cannot be God because he is subordinate to God since:

“The head of Christ is God” (1 Corinthians 11:3) and using the ‘key’ to all New Testament Christology:

“when He (Jesus) delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father,… then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, that God may be all in all” (1 Corinthians 15.24-28).

It does not befit God to be subservient or subordinate to ANY one.


Great tips for new (and old!) dawah carriers from Shabir Ally


MDI Book Recommendation: ‘A New History of Early Christianity’

A New History of Early Christianity by Charles Freeman, published by Yale University Press 2009

The contemporary relevance of Christianity is as hotly contested today as it has ever been. ‘A New History of Early Christianity’ shows how our current debates are rooted in the many controversies surrounding the birth of the religion and the earliest attempts to resolve them. Charles Freeman’s meticulous historical account of Christianity from its birth in Judaea in the first century A.D. to the emergence of Western and Eastern churches by A.D. 600 reveals that it was a distinctive, vibrant, and incredibly diverse movement brought into order at the cost of intellectual and spiritual vitality.

Against the conventional narrative of the inevitable ‘triumph’ of a single distinct Christianity, Freeman shows that there was a host of competing Christianities, many of which had as much claim to authenticity as those that eventually dominated.

A great read!


The Sword in Early Christianity: Why didn’t Christians use the Sword?

Christian apologists are often so keen on telling everybody that Christianity never used the sword in it’s early history, rather it is was a completely peaceful missionary movement, and that the only sword that was used was the sword of the tongue through preaching to the masses. In essence they are trying to contrast this with Islam, where the sword was used in the early stages of Islam, in battles and wars. For starters, even taking the argument at face value, the argument doesn’t make Islam any less true than it does Christianity. There is no set criterion that says if one group used the sword, and the other didn’t, then group two must be true and group one must be false. Christian apologists have invented this formulation.

In fact if we want to play that game, then Christianity is false too, as anyone who reads the Old Testament will find a plethora of violence and the use of the sword. So if someone is discounted for using the sword, then the God of the Old Testament must be regarded as a false god, and since the God of the Old Testament is also the God of the New Testament (unless you’re a Marcionite and then you have no problem) this therefore makes the New Testament of Christianity false as well and hence Christianity is false.

But now back to the initial claim, that early Christianity did not use the sword, how honest is this claim? Well it is actually a fact, early Christianity did not use the sword, but how honest is it to then argue that this proves Christianity is a completely peaceful religion? In other words, is this an actual proper analysis? The answer is a clear NO. To answer the question as to why early Christianity was peaceful we need to firstly understand and analyze the historical situation of Christianity at the time, as well as the beliefs of many Christians of the time as well.

So let’s start off by analyzing the state of early Christianity at the time. Was Christianity a dominant social-political force (faction)? The answer is no, Christians were being persecuted, and were in no position of power, or authority. In other words, Christians didn’t have the means to pick up the sword and to use it, because if they did, they would be crushed in a heartbeat, they would most likely suffer the same fate as the Jewish population who decided to rebel against Rome, if not worse. So therefore with these actual historical facts, it becomes abundantly clear as to why early Christianity didn’t use the sword, and only stuck to preaching, because they were in no position to use the sword! It’s not because they somehow looked into their hearts and wanted to be peaceful hippies, it was because they were greatly outmatched to take on the sword, because if they did they would be crushed.

Now comes the part where I prove my thesis, my thesis is the following:

Early Christianity did not use the sword because it was too weak and in no position to use the sword.

Now my thesis can be greatly strengthened and proven if it can be shown that once Christians did come into power, that once Christians did gain the upper hand in terms of the social-political factor of the state, and once all these things were done THEN Christians eventually used the sword. Well, that is EXACTLY what happened. Once the Roman Empire converted to Christianity, thanks to the conversion of Emperor Constantine, the sword began to be used by Christianity! And Christianity never looked back, ever since Christianity got into power from those early days, the Church used it’s power to oppress, and kill anyone who went against their rules.

So to sum up, yes, early Christianity was peaceful and did not utilize the sword, but once Christianity did get into power, it did use the sword, and killed millions of people who would not conform to their values or message, including Christians as well who were deemed to have been heretics against ‘orthodox’ Christianity, the very orthodox Christianity you see practiced today. Back then, you could, and were killed if you went against the Trinity, or other ‘orthodox’ beliefs in Christianity.

So in light of these historical facts, Christian apologists don’t have a leg to stand upon, and their analysis of the whole situation is quite frankly pathetic, and completely biased and simplistic to suit themselves.

Now there is a second reason as to why early Christianity did not use the sword, the reason being is that many early Christian communities thought the world was about to end! Many early Christian communities believed Jesus was about to return, and that he was going to destroy all the wicked evil powers on earth, and would usher in a holy Kingdom of God where the believers would be at peace and happiness.

Now if you believed the world was going to end soon, that the oppression was going to end, because Jesus was coming back to destroy all the bad guys and to save you, why would you pick the sword up? You would simply wait it out with patience as things were going to get better very shortly because Jesus himself was coming with the sword.  And this is something Christian apologists often like to keep a secret from their audience, they preach that they they’re against the sword, but they don’t tell you they believe Jesus will return, and Jesus WILL USE THE SWORD to kill people! Now that’s a big difference isn’t it? You won’t use the sword, but your master is going to be using the sword killing people left right and centre while you sit by praising him! That makes me feel so much safer, and really makes me believe you’re a peaceful person. In other words my friends, Christian apologists are literally waiting for the day Jesus comes back, and starts killing people with the sword! Now let me repeat, that doesn’t make Christianity false, I am simply using the LOGIC OF THE CHRISTIAN ARGUMENATION, and I am simply showing how dishonest Christian apologists are when they try to dupe people into this image of Christianity not using the sword, or that they don’t believe in the sword.

Now there’s no need for me go all over the teachings of Jesus coming back and using the sword, as the website loonwatch have already done a masterful job on this issue with all the passages:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/04/jesus-loves-his-enemies-and-then-kills-them-all/

Back to the first point I made regarding Christian communities who believed the world was about to end due to Biblical teachings and passages, I would recommend the following books that discuss the issue in depth:

The Historical Figure of Jesus by E.P. Sanders (http://www.amazon.com/The-Historical-Figure-Jesus-Sanders/dp/0140144994)

Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium by Bart Erhman (http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Apocalyptic-Prophet-New-Millennium/dp/019512474X/ref=pd_sim_b_1)

Jesus of Nazareth, King of Jews: A Jewish Life and the Emergence of Christianity by Paula Fredrickson (http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Nazareth-King-Jews-Christianity/dp/0679767460/ref=pd_sim_b_2)

So to conclude, I have put forth two arguments as to why early Christianity did not use the sword, 1) they were in no position to use the sword, however once they did get into power, they freely used the sword, 2) early Christian communities believed the world was about to end, that Jesus was going to return shortly, and he would destroy the evil forces and usher in a Kingdom of God in which the believers would rejoice and live happily. In essence, they believed that Jesus would use the sword.


Upcoming MDI Debate: Who is Jesus?


The Preservation of God’s Words

A common argument made by Christian apologists to try and confuse Muslims is the following: If the Bible is indeed corrupt, then why didn’t Allah preserve it? Why didn’t he preserve his words, and why did he allow his own books to become corrupt?

The argument is meant to try and cast doubt on Allah’s all knowing wisdom, and in turn, to cast doubt on whether Allah can be a true God due to this supposed deficiency. The irony is that this argument backfires completely on the Christian apologist, because the argument is an actual REALITY with their own god, and their own book.

Let me explain, Christians already believe the God of Islam is a false God, so there’s no need for now to try and go on the defensive, let us simply play along. All right, so according to the Christian apologist, Allah wasn’t displaying wisdom or strength by allowing his words to get corrupted and for the originals to be lost etc.

Now comes the big irony, it is a fact, an undisputed fact, that we do NOT have the original books of the Bible. We don’t have a single ORIGINAL AUTHENTIC book of the Bible, not only don’t we have an original authentic book of the Bible, we don’t even have a single authentic original copy of the Bible! What we have instead, are none original books of the Bible, and the none original books of the Bible were in fact copies of the copies of the copies of the copies of the copies of the supposed original Bible that we don’t even have! So the real question now is, why didn’t YAHWEH, the God of the Bible, preserve his own original inspired writings? Why are we instead left with unoriginal copies? Unoriginal copies that have been ALTERED, as well as CHANGED?

Just go take a look at the manuscripts, they are filled with differences amongst each other, as is often said, no two manuscripts agree with one another, and as is also said, there are more textual variants between the manuscripts than there are actual words in the Bible! As a result of these textual variants with one another, scholars have been left but to try and figure out which passage and manuscript has the actual original reading, and even if they manage to agree on which is the original reading (in many cases they don’t), there is no certainty that it is actually the original reading because the reading itself is not based on an original copy, but a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy! So you’re still no nearer to the actual original text you’re trying to reach at. And this is also why many textual scholars of the Bible say that the original actual text of the Bible is forever lost, and even trying to get close to an original reading of the Bible is a mute discussion.

So as one can see, the argument can be used much more forcefully against the Christian apologist, because they already believe Allah is a false God, so you can just play along and say all right I accept your argument, BUT now if we apply the consistency of your argument, then you’re in much bigger trouble, and if we apply the actual logic of the argument, then your God must be disregarded as well.

I will end this article with a question I already asked, as the Christian apologist often asks, why didn’t Allah preserve his words, my question to you is: Why didn’t Yahweh preserve his original inspired words?


Has the Qur’an Been Perfectly Preserved? A Classic MDI debate

Is the Qur’an authentic? Who really wrote the Qur’an? How was the Qur’an Collected in the Current order? Has the Qur’an Been Perfectly Preserved?

Representing the Muslim perspective was Bassam Zawadi, who runs the website www.call-to-monotheism.com

Representing the Christian side was Nabeel Qureshi. Nabeel is a former Ahmadi (Qadyani) and Christian Apologist.

The event took place at Abrar House hall, London, UK July 18th, 2009


‘Son of God’: meaning in today’s Christianity

A new video from Muslim Archives: ’Son of God’: meaning in today’s Christianity


Monsters on the cultural landscape

The prestigious Catholic weekly The Tablet reports…

Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor said that tendentious notions of equality, freedom and tolerance are “three monsters on our cultural landscape” that formed part of a new and “very, very dangerous” secular religion.

Speaking in Leicester Cathedral, the Cardinal said:

‘What worries me today is the development of a kind of negative tolerance. For the sake of tolerance the Government forced the Roman Catholic Church to close its Adoption Agencies because we were not able to accept politically correct law which said that all agencies have to accept homosexual couples if they wished to adopt. This went against the conscience of Catholic teaching which asserted that the best way of bringing up children was with a father and a mother. Thus the agencies have had to close for no good reason because homosexual couples could adopt from any other agency. All this for the sake of tolerance. For the sake of tolerance we must not allow a person to wear a cross so that Christianity is not expressed visibly. In the name of tolerance it seems to me tolerance is being abolished. Our danger in Britain today is that so-called Western reason claims that it alone has recognised what is right and thus claims totality that is inimical to freedom. No one is forced to be a Christian. But no one should be forced to live according to the new secular religion as if it alone were definitive and obligatory for all humankind.’

He said that “the new secular religion” was “not pure reason but rather the restriction of reason to what can be known scientifically – and at the same time the exclusion of all that goes beyond it”. He added: “It is very, very dangerous.”

He went on: “The propaganda of secularism and its high priests want us to believe that religion is dangerous for our health. It suits them to have no opposition to their vision of a brave new world, the world which they see as somehow governed only by people like themselves.”

The new religion of Secularism and its fanatical supporters like Richard Dawkins are determined to enforce their will and shove their ‘faith’ down society’s throat.

But some Muslims have questioned whether the churches as a whole are really willing to resist the challenge of secularism.  Muslim philosopher Shabbir Akhtar in The Quran and the Secular Mind (2008) comments provocatively (p.7):

‘We must note that there are now few authentically religious Jews and Christians in the West even among the clergy and the rabbinate. All intellectually sophisticated Jews and Christians are secularised and, in their attitudes towards domestic issues, as opposed to foreign policy, are typically humane capitalists whose religious beliefs serve as a decorative veneer on their underlying secularised religious humanism. All charges are variations on the stock Muslim accusation, rooted in the Qur’an, that Jews and Christians have achieved a cosy accommodation with the world – or with modern secularism, in our day – at the cost of being unfaithful to their dogmatic traditions. Modern versions of Christianity and Judaism appear to be carefully disguised variants of secular humanism. Predictably, therefore, many Jews and Christians, unlike virtually all Muslims, live conscientiously and comfortably within the arrangements of the liberal secular humanist state. Islam is now unique in its existential decision, though not intellectual capacity, to confront rather than accommodate the secularist world-view. It is a faith whose adherents are sounding a lone note of courageous defiance in the battle against secularism while other trumpets are blowing retreat.


Marcionites: The Christian Sect You Never Heard About

If you were to ever read and study the early history of Christianity, you would find a faith that had several competing factions, several competing sects each claiming to be Christian, but with vastly different theologies (belief systems).

One such group were the Marcionites, most Christians and non-Christians have probably never heard or knew about this group, but indeed, I personally find this sect to be one of the most interesting ones in early Christianity.

The belief of Marcionism originated from the teachings of a man named Marcion, a Christian theologian, and son of a Christian Bishop. Marcion began to formulate his theology around the year 144, one must note that during this time there was no official Bible cannon as we have today, and this even predated the Nicaea creed when Christians finally decided to formalize an official Church and orthodox doctrine!

So with all of that said, what was Marcion’s theology, what made it so interesting, and what made it such a major heresy to the ?orthodox’ Christians. Well, believe it or not, Marcion separated the Jewish Bible from the New Testament; Marcion rejected the Jewish Bible, as well as the Jewish God. For Marcion, the God of the Jewish Bible was vastly different to the God of the New Testament. For instance in the Jewish Bible, God was always commanding genocide, murder, mass slaughtering, and Marcion could not reconcile such things.

He viewed the God of the Old Testament as being EVIL! He regarded the God of the Old Testament as some lesser god, and the root of all evil! Now indeed, one cannot blame Marcion for such beliefs, in fact we can say that he was consistent at least! If one were to read the Old Testament one would be shocked and stunned at the level of sickening violence, for instance here are a few verses for you to take in:

Zephaniah 2:12-15

“You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword,” says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. “In all the world there is no city as great as I,” it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist

 

Ezekiel 9:5-7

“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.”

Deuteronomy 3:1-7

1 Then we turned, and went up the way to Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 And the LORD said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. 3 So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. 7 But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves

Deuteronomy 7:1-2

When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations?the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you- and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.  Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

So Marcion read passages like the above, which are filled throughout the Old Testament, and concluded that this God was pure evil, and could not be followed, hence Marcion rejected this God and claimed that he was not the true God but a lesser god.

Marcion based his theology on the Bible as well! He would use scripture to argue for his beliefs, for instance he would use the writings of Paul, as well as a version of the Gospel of Luke to argue his case. He would contrast these New Testament writings with the Old Testament, and he would see a completely different God, in the New Testament there was talk of love, grace, and all of these nice things, and for Marcion this could not be reconciled with the angry god of the Old Testament, who was out there making harsh rules, getting jealous, and committing mass slaughter of people.

Marcion was consistent, he had the decency to admit that the god of the Old Testament was a vicious God, and I and most Muslims would agree with him, in fact just like Marcion, we Muslims also reject such dreadful passages from the Old Testament, but unlike Marcion, we do not conclude that these texts were referring to some different lesser god, rather we say that these are corrupted texts within the Old Testament, which paint a distorted picture of the true Abrahamic God.

In fact one can call modern day Christians as being semi-Marcionites! Most modern day Christians want nothing to do with the Old Testament, whenever you bring it up, they immediately start saying the OT has nothing to do with them, and that they now follow the New Testament! Hence you can see that modern day Christians are not willing to discuss the OT at all, they completely put it behind them, and want to move on. So just like Marcion, modern day Christians also reject the OT! Yet they don’t say it as clear as Marcion, while Marcion outright denied and rejected the Old Testament, modern day Christians will say it in a nicer way of simply saying oh the Old Testament is not for me, but for the Jews, I have a NT!

This is very similar to what Marcion said, which is why I call these Christians semi-Marcionites. Marcion rejected the Old Testament and viewed it as a Jewish text separated from Christianity and the Christian text, now doesn’t that similar to modern day Christians who say oh yes the Old Testament is for the Jews, not for us Christians, we have a new Covenant! You see the similar wording?

Furthermore, most modern Christians deep down reject the cruelty and viciousness of the Old Testament, yet they cannot openly admit it, but inside they reject it, which is why they never bother to defend it, and which is why they say the OT is not for them, but for the Jew! They absolutely want nothing to do with the Old Testament.

Ironically though, there are some modern day Christian Marcionites, yet they don’t call themselves Marcionites because they don’t even know about it. I have personally talked with Christians who have OPENLY ADMITED that the God of the Old Testament is evil and scary, yes they called him scary!!! Yet they don’t reject the New Testament, or the God of the New Testament, they say he is nice, caring, and loving! So even today you can find a modern day version of a Marcionite who will use the very plain and bold language Marcion did when describing the Old Testament and the God of the Old Testament, all you have to do is look around and you will easily find them.

With all of that said I would like to quote the writings of Barth Erhman, a major New Testament scholar, and what he has to say concerning the Marcionites, he writes about them in Lost Christianities:

Living at the same time and also enjoying the unwanted attention of the proto-orthodox opponents, though standing at just the opposite end of the theological spectrum, were the a group of Christians known as the Marcionites. In this instance, there is no question concerning the origin of the name. These were followers of the second century evangelist/theologian Marcian, known to later Christianity as one of the arch heretics of his day, but by all accounts one of the most significant Christian thinkers and writers of the early centuries…The Marcionites on the other hand, had a highly attractive religion to many pagan converts, as it was avowedly Christian with nothing Jewish about it. In fact, everything Jewish was taken out of it. Jews, recognized around the world for customs that struck many pagans as bizarre at best, would have difficulty recognizing in the Marcionite religion as an offshoot of their own. Not only were Jewish customs rejected, so, too, were the Jewish scriptures and the Jewish God. From a historical perspective, it is intriguing that any such religion could claim direct historical continuity with Jesus.

I should say a word about the about the theology Marcion developed, which was seen as distinctive, revolutionary, compelling, and therefore dangerous. Among all Christian texts and authors at his disposal, Marcion was especially struck by the writings of the apostle Paul, and in particular the distinction Paul drew in Galatians and elsewhere between the Law of the Jews and the gospel of Christ. As we have seen, Paul claimed that a person is made right with God by faith in Christ, not by doing the works of the Law. This distinction became fundamental to Marcion, and he made it absolute. The Gospel is good news of deliverance; it involves love, mercy, grace, forgiveness, reconciliation, redemption, and life. The Law, however, is the bad news that makes the gospel necessary in the first place; it involves harsh commandments, guilt, judgment, enmity, punishment, and death. The Law is given to the Jews. The gospel is given by Christ.

How could the same God be responsible for both? Or put in other terms: How could the wrathful, vengeful God of the Jews be the loving, merciful God of Jesus? Marcion maintained that these attributes could not belong to one God, as they stand at odds with one another: hatred and love, vengeance and mercy, judgment and grace. He concluded that there must in fact be two Gods; the God of the Jews, as found in the Old Testament, and the God of Jesus, as found in the writings of Paul.

Once Marcion arrived at this understanding, everything else naturally fell into place. The God of the Old Testament was the God who created this world and everything in it, as described in Genesis. The God of Jesus, therefore, had never been involved with this world but came into it only when Jesus appeared from heaven. The God of the Old Testament was the God who called the Jews to be his people and have them his law. The God of Jesus did not consider the Jews to be his people (for him; they were the chosen of the other God), and he was not a God who gave laws.

The God of Jesus came into this world in order to save people from the vengeful God of the Jews. He was previously unknown to this world and had never had any previous dealings with it. Hence Marcion sometimes referred to him as God the stranger. Not even the prophecies of the future Messiah come from this God, for these refer not to Jesus but to a coming Messiah of Israel, to be sent by the God of the Jews, the creator of this world and the God of the Old Testament. Jesus came completely unexpectedly and did what no one could possibly have hoped for: He paid the penalty for other people’s sins, to save them from the just wrath of the Old Testament God.

What we do know is that he based this entire system on sacred texts that he had in his church. These included, but were not limited to, the writings of Paul. Tertullian indicates, for example, that Marcion was particularly attracted to the saying of Jesus that a tree is known by its fruit (see Luke 6:43-44): Good trees do not produce rotten fruit, and rotten trees do not produce good fruit. What happens when the principle is applied to the divine realm? What kind of God creates a world wracked with pain, misery, disaster, diseases, sin, and death? What kind of God says that he is the one who ?creates evil’ (Amos 3:6)? Surely a God who is himself evil. But what Kind of God brings love, mercy, grace, salvation, and life? A God who does what is kind and generous and good? A God who is good.

There are two Gods, then, and according to Marcion, Jesus himself says so. Moreover, Jesus explains that no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise, the old wineskins burst and both they and the wine are destroyed (Mark 2:22). The Gospel is a new thing that has come into the world. It cannot be put into the old wineskins of the Jewish religion.

One Marcion had worked out his theological system, he incorporated it into his two literary works. The first was his own composition, a book that no longer survives, except in the quotations of his opponents. Marcion called the book the Antitheses (Contrary statements). It was evidently a kind of commentary on the Bible, in which Marcion demonstrated his doctrinal views that the God of the Old Testament could not be the God of Jesus.

Many Christians today might be sympathetic with Marcion’s view, as one often hears even still about the wrathful God of the Old Testament and the loving God of the New. Marcion, however, drove the idea to its limit, in a way many moderns could not accept. For him, there really were two Gods, and he set out to demonstrate it by appealing to the Old Testament. In this book of Antithesis, Marcion showed that he was not willing to explain away these passages by providing them with a figurative or symbolic interpretation: for him, they were to be taken literally. And when so read, they stood in the stark contrast with the clear teachings of Jesus and his gospel of love and mercy.

Marcion’s New Testament consisted of eleven books. Most of these were the letters of his beloved Paul, the one predecessor whom Marcion could trust to understand the radical claims of the gospel. Why, Marcion asked, did Jesus return to earth to convert Paul by means of a vision? Why did he not simply allow his own disciples to proclaim his message faithfully throughout the world. According to Marcion, it was because Jesus’ disciples-themselves Jesus, followers of the Jewish God, readers of the Jewish Scriptures-never did correctly understand their master. Confused by what Jesus taught them, wrongly thinking he was the Jewish Messiah, even after his death and resurrection they continued not to understand, interpreting Jesus’ words, deeds, and death in light of their understanding of Judaism. Jesus then had to start afresh, and he called Paul to reveal to him ‘the truth of the gospel.’ That is why Paul had to confront Jesus’ disciple Peter and his earthly brother James, as seen in the letter to the Galatians. Jesus had revealed the truth to Paul, and these others simply never understood.

Paul understood, however, and he alone. Marcion therefore included ten of his letters in his canon of Scripture, all, in fact, of those that eventually came to be found in the New Testament with the exception of the Pastoral epistles; 1 and 2 Timothy and Titus. We may never know why these three were not include as well. It may be that they were not as widely circulated by Marcion’s time and that he himself did not know of them.

Marcion included a Gospel in his canon, a form of the Gospel of Luke. It is not clear why Marcion chose Luke as his Gospel, whether it was because its author was allegedly a companion of the apostle Paul, or because it showed the greatest concern for Gentiles in the ministry of Jesus, or, perhaps more plausibility, because it was the Gospel he was raised on in his home church of Sinope.

Marcion returned to Asia Minor to propagate his version of faith, and he was fantastically successful in doing so. We cannot be sure exactly why, but Marcion experienced an almost unparalleled success on the mission field, establishing churches wherever he went, so that within a few years, one of his proto-orthodox opponents, the apologist and theologian in Rome, Justin, could say that he was teaching his heretical views to ?many people of every nation’(Apology 1.26). (Bart, Ehrman. Lost Christianities. Oxford University press, 2003. PP. 103-109)

So as you can see, Marcion based his theology on the writings of Paul, and the Gospel of Luke!

In conclusion the Marcionites provide us with a very interesting glimpse of early Christianity, and how there were some very different and contrasting Christian theologies that to the ones we have come to know. Marcionism was a major Christian theology in his day, and lasted for about 3 centuries until it was drowned out by the supposedly ‘orthodox’ Christians.


The Opponents of Paul: First Century Disputes Within Christianity

Throughout the writings of Paul we find about competing and different set of beliefs that are being passed around, and we know this thanks to Paul himself, who condemns and attacks these people for preaching a different message to what he was. The only unfortunate issue is that we don’t have the writings of those people, rather we can only rely on Paul.

The main importance of this is that it shows early differences in first century Christianity, THE very first decades of Christianity itself! Modern day Christians often try to downplay Christian groups that disagree with their doctrine based on their dates, for instance many Christian sect and groups that vastly disagree with orthodox Christianity appeared during the 2nd-4th century, and modern day Christians say since they aren’t first century, and come sometime after Jesus, they aren’t to be taken too seriously. Although this logic is faulty because there was no official orthodox position until the 4th century! Hence anything between the first century and 4th century could be considered fair game, in fact the term early Christianity denotes the time between the 1st century to the 4th, after the Council of Nicaea!

In this case though, Christian apologists won’t be able to play that game, as we are appealing to the very writings of Paul, in the first century, and a couple of decades after Jesus. So with all of that said, let us go into the writings to see the disputes and differences he was having.

We start with the book of Galatians, where Paul writes the following:

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel? which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ. I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. (Galatians 1:6-12)

So according to Paul, another Gospel was being preached, and not only was it being preached, but many people were deserting Paul’s teaching for this other Gospel! Off course Paul is not too pleased about that, and he condemns the people who are preaching the different Gospel, he claims that they are eternally condemned, and that they are trying to pervert the Gospel message. Paul warns the people, to not dare follow any other Gospel message that is different from his, even if it was an angel giving the message!

What gets more interesting is that Paul begins to try and convince the people that the Gospel he has is divine, and not from any normal man, but it was revealed to him by Jesus Christ. Obviously he makes this plea because people were beginning to doubt him and his authenticity, yet he is trying to convince the people otherwise, that his message is from Jesus.

Now what could these opponents be preaching? Well we know they were preaching something different to Paul, hence we ask what was Paul preaching? One of the hallmarks of Paul’s theology is that the Law doesn’t matter anymore, that the Jewish Laws and customs are useless, and it’s all about faith and grace now. So we can assume that these opponents were obviously preaching something opposite to this.

In the next chapter we get the context of what Paul is talking about, and WHO Paul is talking about in Galatians chapter two:

Fourteen years later I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also. I went in response to a revelation and set before them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. But I did this privately to those who seemed to be leaders, for fear that I was running or had run my race in vain. Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek. This matter arose because some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves. We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might remain with you. As for those who seemed to be important?whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not judge by external appearance?those men added nothing to my message. On the contrary, they saw that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the Gentiles, just as Peter had been to the Jews For God, who was at work in the ministry of Peter as an apostle to the Jews, was also at work in my ministry as an apostle to the Gentiles. James, Peter and John, those reputed to be pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the Jews. All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do. When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?  ”We who are Jews by birth and not ‘Gentile sinners’ know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified. “If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed, I prove that I am a lawbreaker. For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

So in this chapter we see the differences arise again, and this time we see the specific people who are being confronted by Paul, and it happens to be Peter! The very same Peter who was a disciple of Jesus, and said to be the right hand man of Jesus! Paul confronts Peter, and calls Peter a hypocrite! The obvious major disagreement here has to do concerning the Jewish Law, as Paul makes it clear, the Jewish Law in no way saves a person, rather it is by faith in Jesus’ sacrifice that people are saved. Obviously this means that Peter and his group were preaching something different, the opposite to this, that the Jewish Law DID matter, and was not as useless as Paul was making it out to be.

Now let us not forget, in the previous chapter, Galatians 1, Paul CONDEMNS his opponent, and claims they are perverting the Gospel, now is it possible that these harsh rebukes were in fact directed towards Peter as well? We could speculate about this, and it would seem that Paul is not only talking about Peter, but all those others who are disagreeing with him as well, so we can see major differences arising here.

In fact in the book of Acts were read more about the major disagreements Paul is having:

When we arrived at Jerusalem, the brothers received us warmly. The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present. Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. What shall we do?They will certainly hear that you have come, so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everybody will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them. When the seven days were nearly over, some Jews from the province of Asia saw Paul at the temple. They stirred up the whole crowd and seized him, shouting, “Men of Israel, help us! This is the man who teaches all men everywhere against our people and our law and this place. And besides, he has brought Greeks into the temple area and defiled this holy place.” (They had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian in the city with Paul and assumed that Paul had brought him into the temple area.) The whole city was aroused, and the people came running from all directions. Seizing Paul, they dragged him from the temple, and immediately the gates were shut. While they were trying to kill him, news reached the commander of the Roman troops that the whole city of Jerusalem was in an uproar. He at once took some officers and soldiers and ran down to the crowd. When the rioters saw the commander and his soldiers, they stopped beating Paul. The commander came up and arrested him and ordered him to be bound with two chains. Then he asked who he was and what he had done. Some in the crowd shouted one thing and some another, and since the commander could not get at the truth because of the uproar, he ordered that Paul be taken into the barracks. When Paul reached the steps, the violence of the mob was so great he had to be carried by the soldiers. The crowd that followed kept shouting, “Away with him!” (Acts 21:17-36)

So according to the above, Paul was summoned to Jerusalem, and they were obviously concerned with what they were hearing about Paul, that he was effectively turning the Jewish Law into nothing, which was true. The situation completely heats up later on when a group of Jewish followers see Paul, and they want to get at him because of his teachings against the Jewish Law, and Paul is eventually forced into protection. So you can see how tense and heated the situation is, this isn’t some minor small disagreement we have here, this is a major issue running through the early Christian church.

In fact the situation is so heated that as we saw in the book of Galatians, Paul is eternally condemning his opponents, and warning the people to not follow them!

In Acts 22 we continue to read more about this situation:

“Brothers and fathers, listen now to my defense.” When they heard him speak to them in Aramaic, they became very quiet. Then Paul said: “I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city. Under Gamaliel I was thoroughly trained in the law of our fathers and was just as zealous for God as any of you are today. I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death, arresting both men and women and throwing them into prison, as also the high priest and all the Council can testify. I even obtained letters from them to their brothers in Damascus, and went there to bring these people as prisoners to Jerusalem to be punished. “About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’ ” ‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked. “?I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied. My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me. “‘What shall I do, Lord?’ I asked. ”‘Get up,’ the Lord said, ‘and go into Damascus. There you will be told all that you have been assigned to do.’ 11My companions led me by the hand into Damascus, because the brilliance of the light had blinded me. “A man named Ananias came to see me. He was a devout observer of the law and highly respected by all the Jews living there. 13He stood beside me and said, ‘Brother Saul, receive your sight!’ And at that very moment I was able to see him. “Then he said: ‘The God of our fathers has chosen you to know his will and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from his mouth. You will be his witness to all men of what you have seen and heard. And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’ “When I returned to Jerusalem and was praying at the temple, I fell into a trance and saw the Lord speaking. ‘Quick!’ he said to me. ‘Leave Jerusalem immediately, because they will not accept your testimony about me.’ ” ‘Lord,’ I replied, ‘these men know that I went from one synagogue to another to imprison and beat those who believe in you. And when the blood of your martyr[a] Stephen was shed, I stood there giving my approval and guarding the clothes of those who were killing him.’ “Then the Lord said to me, ‘Go; I will send you far away to the Gentiles.’ “ The crowd listened to Paul until he said this. Then they raised their voices and shouted, “Rid the earth of him! He’s not fit to live!” As they were shouting and throwing off their cloaks and flinging dust into the air, the commander ordered Paul to be taken into the barracks. He directed that he be flogged and questioned in order to find out why the people were shouting at him like this. As they stretched him out to flog him, Paul said to the centurion standing there, “Is it legal for you to flog a Roman citizen who hasn’t even been found guilty?” When the centurion heard this, he went to the commander and reported it. “What are you going to do?” he asked. “This man is a Roman citizen.”The commander went to Paul and asked, “Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?” “Yes, I am,” he answered. (Acts 22:1-27)

So here Paul tries to explain himself to the Jewish Christians of Jerusalem, and they are having none of it, they all become very agitated at Paul, and eventually Paul escapes punishment because he is a Roman citizen. Many scholars often point to this incident and call this the moment Christianity split, the split between the Jewish Christians and Paul’s version of Christianity.

We continue to read about the differences other Christians were having with Paul, this time from 2 Corinthians:

I hope you will put up with a little of my foolishness; but you are already doing that. I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. But I do not think I am in the least inferior to those “super-apostles.” I may not be a trained speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way.

Was it a sin for me to lower myself in order to elevate you by preaching the gospel of God to you free of charge? I robbed other churches by receiving support from them so as to serve you. And when I was with you and needed something, I was not a burden to anyone, for the brothers who came from Macedonia supplied what I needed. I have kept myself from being a burden to you in any way, and will continue to do so. As surely as the truth of Christ is in me, nobody in the regions of Achaia will stop this boasting of mine. Why? Because I do not love you? God knows I do! And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. (2 Corinthians 11:1-15)

Paul yet again warns the people to be wary of following another Gospel, or following another different Jesus that is being preached! Paul goes on to call these people false apostles, deceitful workers, fakes, and he even likens them to satan!

Now since we don’t have the writings of these people we don’t really know what they were preaching, but what we do know is that it was something different to what Paul was preaching, as Paul said, they are preaching a different Jesus, a different Gospel. Obviously this means that these Christians had something different, they most likely taught that the Law should be applied, and should be followed, and that it wasn’t as useless as Paul was teaching, that salvation was not on faith alone. Anything else is speculation, it could be on a wide range of issues in which they disagreed with Paul, and preached something different, what it was, we don’t really know. What we DO KNOW is that these texts prove that there were some serious early disagreements within the early Christian Church, and that there were competing messages being taught.

Christians may simply try to downplay this, but the text doesn’t allow them to do so, for if these were some minor disagreements, then Paul would not have been so harsh in his condemnations, and he would not be so eager to make sure that this different message to his was not being accepted and followed. Therefore it’s quite clear that there were some major disagreements happening here, and indeed it should be a cause for concern!

In fact according to Philippians chapter 4, Paul claims that many churches rejected him:

Moreover, as you Philippians know, in the early days of your acquaintance with the gospel, when I set out from Macedonia, not one church shared with me in the matter of giving and receiving, except you only (Philippians 4:15)

So there were several Churches rejecting Paul, not wanting to work with him! Now if that’s not a major difference then I really don’t know what is! And this is from the FIRST CENTURY! A few decades after Jesus!

So let us summarize everything we have:

1-Other gospels and opposing teachings were being made

2-These teachings were gaining followers, and people were abandoning Paul’s message

3-Paul condemned his opponents, calling them deceivers, fakes, and likened them to satan

4-Some of Pauls opponents included the disciples, such as Peter, whom Paul confronted and insulted

5-Paul was summoned by the Church in Jerusalem, who themselves had disagreements with Paul, the Christian Jews of Jerusalem under James, forced Paul out of Jerusalem

6-Many Churches were rejecting Paul, and refused to work with him

So we can clearly see some major disagreements in early Christianity, first century Christianity, just a few decades after Jesus, and many of these Christians who disagreed with Paul eventually became to known as Ebionites, and other early Christian 2nd century groups, their foundations all lied in the first century.


Quranic Preservation VS Biblical Preservation

The topic of Quranic and Biblical preservation is often brought up, so I thought it would be good to highlight some major differences between the two books in terms of preservation, allowing everyone to see who has the better and stronger position.

So let us start with the Quran and give a rundown of the facts:

-The Quran was written and memorized during the lifetime of Muhammad (PBUH).

-The Quran was collected into a complete book during the reign of Abu Bakr, the first caliph of Islam, and the right hand man of Muhammad (PBUH).

-The Quran was collected by the companions of the prophet Muhammad, those who knew, and lived with him during its revelation.

-The Quran was duplicated into official standardized copies for the new Muslim population; this task was ordered by the third caliph of Islam, Uthman, who was also a close companion of the Prophet Muhammad. The very manuscript that Uthman used to copy, was the one which Abu Bakr had collected into an official Quranic book.

So all of the above was how the Quran was preserved, and this is all recorded in the Hadith literature. Now as for the Bible:

-The Gospels were written decades after Jesus.

-The Gospels were written by authors who did not know Jesus.

-The Gospels were written by authors who did not meet Jesus.

-The Gospels were written by anonymous authors, we don’t actually know they are, we are left but to guess.

-The actual Gospel manuscripts we do have are not even the originals, rather they are the copy’s of the copy’s of the copy’s of the books that were written decades after Jesus, by unknown authors, who did not know, or meet Jesus!

-It wasn’t until CENTURIES after Jesus that Christians finally established an orthodox cannon of scripture, yet even after this, there were still disputes, and some books were still rejected and accepted.

-Since there was no official Church orthodox cannon for centuries, you had several different Bible cannons for 400 years, different books claiming to be inspired, each Christian sect having their own Bible which they believed in.

-Up to this day we still see this problem, most notably with the Catholic and Protestant Bible, each having a different cannon. Did the Catholics add too much? Or did the Protestants leave too much out?

And that right there is the story for Bible preservation! And Christians don’t even dispute this! You can readily read upon these facts from Christian scholarly books on the textual history of the Bible. These are all facts, not conspiracy theories.

Recommended watching:

Bassam Zawadi had an excellent debate with Nabeel Qureshi concerning the preservation of the Quran, and suffice to say, it was like teacher (Zawadi) teaching student (Qureshi):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMcxWXrpYxE Part one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMoNBgMsipM&feature=related Part two

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9iDRMXDWNU&feature=related Part three

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gRY1SN_jOM&feature=related Part four

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwJEh8k8GbY&feature=related Q & A